Jlowe22 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 I still think Saints finish with a worse record than Chiefs or Rams, so it's probably gonna be Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, wwhickok said: whether or not their teams make it beyond the regular season. So is this your primary parameter for MVP consideration? 58 minutes ago, wwhickok said: I think Conner has been more valuable given the circumstances that led him to be a starter in the first place So you think the narrative of replacing Bell is the difference maker in value that vaults Conner ahead of Gurley? 1 hour ago, wwhickok said: and the way the defense played and the team performed out of the gate. I'm not sure what the defense has to do with any of this, though. I think you're overrating Conner a tad bit and if the Bell story is your primary argument here I'm not buying into the narrative I still think Gurley is more valuable to the Rams, and I'll try and explain why. Simply put, McVay's #1 offense, while a prolific passing attack spear headed by three very talented and reliable receivers, revolves around Todd Gurley. The offensive success, and that of the Rams, relies almost solely on the 11 personnel in which they run, accounting for nearly every offensive snap. It's McVay's bread and butter, and the reason why they are 9-1. What allows McVay to implement this simple scheme that torments defensive coordinators comes back to Gurley's ability to do everything - rushing, receiving threat, and pass blocker - at an extremely high level, again, nearly every snap. He rarely, if ever leaves the field. That, coupled with his huge production, is why I think he deserves a mention in this thread: though it's tough to see him surmount Brees, Mahomes etc. I just don't see the same thing with Conner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Smitty, I think you sort of took my comments completely out of context. Conner may be the difference maker for Pittsburgh between making the playoffs and not. I'm not saying that the narrative of Bell makes Conner better than Gurley. I'm saying that this is a guy no one gave any regard and he vaulted himself into the spotlight with great production. MVP is about the "imo" value of a player within the organization and how important that is in the grand scheme of the league. That's what I'm saying, I feel that Conner is a big part of why the Steelers are where they are in the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Luck not even mentioned? We'll see at end of season. 10 sacks in 371 attempts 2nd in TD's 10th in Yards 3rd in attempts 3rd in completions This after over 500 days without throwing a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Warhorse said: Luck not even mentioned? We'll see at end of season. 10 sacks in 371 attempts 2nd in TD's 10th in Yards 3rd in attempts 3rd in completions This after over 500 days without throwing a football. He's got Comeback Player of the Year in the bag though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: I still think Saints finish with a worse record than Chiefs or Rams, so it's probably gonna be Mahomes. I think the league will catch up to Mahomes to a certain extent. Lots of first year QBs do well only to drop off a bit once the tape gets out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Raiders will sweep the Chiefs ending Mahomes MVP bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 2 hours ago, BayRaider said: Raiders will sweep the Chiefs ending Mahomes MVP bid. As far as I'm concerned, Mahomes' bid was null and void as soon as the news came out that he puts ketchup on his macaroni and cheese and his steak. #NeverMyMVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, The LBC said: As far as I'm concerned, Mahomes' bid was null and void as soon as the news came out that he puts ketchup on his macaroni and cheese and his steak. #NeverMyMVP If this is true Mahomes is the most disgusting and vile person on this planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 The ketchup on steak is just really heinous stuff. You can't trust a fellow who does something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 minute ago, game3525 said: The ketchup on steak is just really heinous stuff. You can't trust a fellow who does something like that. A good steak doesn't need anything on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: A good steak doesn't need anything on it. Lies.. A1 on anything and everything, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, El ramster said: Lies.. A1 on anything and everything, I like A1 but thats a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, JustAnotherFan said: I like A1 but thats a crime. ewww.. A crime is those freak carnivores who eat their steak rare or medium rare.. Well done all the way.. A1 is fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Just now, El ramster said: ewww.. A crime is those freak carnivores who eat their steak rare or medium rare.. Well done all the way.. A1 is fire. LOL. I agree with that but to each their own. Med for me--depending on where I go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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