2019 Free Agent Discussion

[gopackgo972]

 

 

big z happy to be a packer

[MacReady]

I'm so ready to be wrong on Z. Smith.  So ready for him to start his Hall of Fame years to the point where people have to point out the Ravens let him go in free agency. 

[SSG]

16 hours ago, Nick_gb said:

 

Not a fan.  He looked done last year.  His blocking has fallen off and he looked like he had no business being on a field running routes.  We continue to aim at having the oldest TE group in the NFL and it isn't the answer. 

 

Would have rather invested that money into a starter on the DL or in the secondary. 

[Norm]

16 minutes ago, gopackgo247 said:

top 5 hype video

Top 1. If you think only top 5 then #crokno u a *****

[Norm]

14 minutes ago, PossibleCabbage said:

HHCD did play some pretty high end football in year 2, then he kind of shut it down.  It's not totally different from how he played out of his mind at Bama his penultimate year and was pretty meh his final year.  If I was an NFL team I'd offer him a "prove-it" deal just to see what happens.

This is what happens when you know players by draft status and rep that don't play for your team. I said a trillion times we'd want HaHa if he never played there. Hard to blame them imo.

[{Family Ghost}]

6 minutes ago, SSG said:

Not a fan.  He looked done last year.  His blocking has fallen off and he looked like he had no business being on a field running routes.  We continue to aim at having the oldest TE group in the NFL and it isn't the answer. 

 

Would have rather invested that money into a starter on the DL or in the secondary. 

Yeah, I don't get this one.  I also would have at minimum reworked Jimmy Graham's contract.  Also, how is Mason Crosby still on this team at just under 5 mil?  That should have been reworked as well.  Seems like if we need more dough we can find it.

Edited March 14, 2019 by {Family Ghost}

[incognito_man]

3 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

And for all the advantages that Lewis brings as a drive blocker. You're sure as **** lining up your second level defenders differently when you see her in the game compared to Graham.

shots fired

[MacReady]

Just now, Norm said:

This is what happens when you know players by draft status and rep that don't play for your team. I said a trillion times we'd want HaHa if he never played there. Hard to blame them imo.

Could you imagine how badly people would want Cobb or Matthews heading into this season if they'd played their careers elsewhere?  People would be shouting for us to sign Nick Perry right now, too. 

Bears fans hyping up Clinton-Dix is pretty funny to me.  On one hand, Clinton-Dix sucks.  On the other hand, he really is twice the playmaker Amos is.  What Bears fans don't realize is that 3 extra interceptions a year from a player selling out for interceptions is a detriment, not a positive. 

 

[Norm]

2 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Could you imagine how badly people would want Cobb or Matthews heading into this season if they'd played their careers elsewhere?  People would be shouting for us to sign Nick Perry right now, too. 

BINGO. They would all be great bargain pieces that could help fill those holes to win the SB like "NE does." Nobody can convince me otherwise. Look at Berry, there was a discussion with people wanting him and he's coming off not playing football hardly at all for like 2 years and an achilles. We didn't get any new shiny FA toys for so long that it was always something new that you had to have. I get there's some logic that you think a change of scenery and crap can help them too. But that would be the same with wanting Cobb or Clay if they weren't here. We'd absolutely want Clay here if he never played here, 10000%.

[Leader]

7 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Could you imagine how badly people would want Cobb or Matthews heading into this season if they'd played their careers elsewhere?  People would be shouting for us to sign Nick Perry right now, too. 

Bears fans hyping up Clinton-Dix is pretty funny to me.  On one hand, Clinton-Dix sucks.  On the other hand, he really is twice the playmaker Amos is.  What Bears fans don't realize is that 3 extra interceptions a year from a player selling out for interceptions is a detriment, not a positive.

I wont speak to what Bears fans know or dont know - but I want that player who's going after the ball (read: Alexander). PBU's are big to me. INT's matter (no question) but PBU's define a player that doesnt give it up - that stays on the ball - till it hits the ground. Unfortunately, I dont see HHCD as that player anymore. I never considered hit INT totals the result of inordinate athletic ability or desire - and he definitely wasnt a PBU monster. He evolved into a player that played soft - in his coverage, ball attack and tackling. IMO.

Edited March 14, 2019 by Leader

[FinneasGage]

 

[packfanfb]

24 minutes ago, SSG said:

Not a fan.  He looked done last year.  His blocking has fallen off and he looked like he had no business being on a field running routes.  We continue to aim at having the oldest TE group in the NFL and it isn't the answer. 

 

Would have rather invested that money into a starter on the DL or in the secondary. 

Thought we'd be in on Stocker for this role who just signed with ATL. I'll be interested to see what he got vs Lewis. Maybe it came down to money.

[TheOnlyThing]

4 hours ago, salmar80 said:

I woke up with the thought that UFA is the expensive way to fix mistakes made in draft. It's no coincidence we made all these signings in the year when we should be extending our 2015 draft class. That was the Tsar Bomba of bombed drafts. 

I both agree and disagree with the thoughts above.

i wholeheartedly agree that the Packers had the "Tsar Bomba of bombed drafts" in 2015 (assuming that means it was not good).

However, I also think Gute's aggressive foray into free agency represents a sea change in how the organization is constructing its roster.

For example, does anyone believe that if Gute had not taken over less than 15 months ago that his predecessor would have traded away his 2015 1st, 3rd, and 5th round picks (Randall, Montgomery, and Hundley) in 2018? Given that he made exactly ZERO such trades between 2011-2017? 

I reckon that if there had been no change at GM, Randall would be on his second contract, folks would be worried about whether Monty was going to leave, Jake Ryan would have been re-upped, and we'd be talking about how Rip is amongst the best FBs in the NFL. Heck, there is even a decent chance Q Rollins would be coming back for his 5th year instead of having been cut prior to last season (and no chance that Breeland would have been on the Pack's radar in 2018). I can't fathom that Hundley would have been kept around, but who knows. 

Anyway, under the previous GM, the 2019 Packers would obviously have had far less $ to delve into free agency because they would have devoted more of it to the 2015 class (and the previous GM and his fans could point to all those re-signings of evidence of the GM's drafting prowess).

Furthermore, does anyone really believe that the prior GM would have traded HHCD instead of signing him to a big, second contract? Again, the Pack would not have the money (or inclination) to sign an Amos if the prior GM had already paid big money to his 2014 first round pick Clinton-Dix.

Additional evidence of the Pack's new way of doing business relates to the OLB position. Any chance the Smiths, 2 of the 4 UFAs signed by Gutey, are signed by Green Bay under the prior GM? 

I seriously doubt the prior regime would have cut Perry and eaten that big salary. Instead, we'd be hearing that if Nick can just stay healthy he'll prove what a great player he is (and justify the big contract given to him) -- the same story we heard during 6 out of his 7 seasons in GB.

Also, why would the Pack need to go outside the organization for an OLBer when Viince Biegel would just be coming into his own? I mean, we really don't think Vince would have been cut after just one year if the guy who drafted him had not been shown the door, do we? And with Perry at $10M+, Fack and his 10.5 sacks, an up and coming Biegel as well as a possibly already re-signed Clay and the draft possibilities, no way the Pack would have pursued one, let alone two, veteran free agent OLB.

Consequently, while I completely concur that the 2015 draft was a bust, I think the evidence also points to a completely different outlook and approach when it comes to roster building under Gute. Instead of giving draft picks second, third, or fourth chances to prove themselves worthy, as was the case until last season, Gute appears more than willing to trade, cut, and not re-sign them. And, moreover, upon acknowledging drafting failures, Gute demonstrates a greater willingness to attack holes in the roster (including by using the heretofore looked down veteran free agency route for acquiring talent). 

PFT had an apt description of the profound transformation regarding free agency under Gute earlier today:

"These aren’t Ted Thompson’s Packers. The former G.M. of the franchise treated free agency like a ball of anthrax covered in smallpox. The new G.M. of the team, Brian Gutekunst, is embracing it."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

[packfanfb]

13 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

Could you imagine how badly people would want Cobb or Matthews heading into this season if they'd played their careers elsewhere?  People would be shouting for us to sign Nick Perry right now, too. 

Bears fans hyping up Clinton-Dix is pretty funny to me.  On one hand, Clinton-Dix sucks.  On the other hand, he really is twice the playmaker Amos is.  What Bears fans don't realize is that 3 extra interceptions a year from a player selling out for interceptions is a detriment, not a positive. 

 

Everyone wants new things, that's easy. Clay happens to be a guy I'd really like to have back versus some of other current free agents.

[Norm]

8 minutes ago, FinneasGage said:

 

Maybe the most excited I've been for a PC in my life

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I still won't watch it

Edited March 14, 2019 by Norm