Warhorse Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Now, if you had said Robert Kraft....It would have more traction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 So essentially we are crediting Charlie Weis with the "spread" (sorry for the bad pun) of the spread offense? Really? Because that is what I'm getting from this, since Weis was the original offensive coordinator for Belichick until 2004. And his glorious "schematic advantage" that he promised to bring to Notre Dame ultimately caused them to fall flat on their face, cost Weis his job and then saw him embarass himself yet again at Ksnsas? Sorry, not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: So essentially we are crediting Charlie Weis with the "spread" (sorry for the bad pun) of the spread offense? Really? Because that is what I'm getting from this, since Weis was the original offensive coordinator for Belichick until 2004. And his glorious "schematic advantage" that he promised to bring to Notre Dame ultimately caused them to fall flat on their face, cost Weis his job and then saw him embarass himself yet again at Ksnsas? Sorry, not buying it. It wasn't Weis's system, it was Belichick's. Weis only called the plays. That's why he hired his coffee boy McDaniels to be his offensive coordinator after Weis left; because he knew that the play caller didn't even matter with how his system worked. http://www.espn.com/nfl/preview09/columns/story?columnist=wickersham_seth&id=4443119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: How is that hilarious? Belichick is responsible for the ubiquitousness of spread offenses, in case you weren't aware. Ever since he took over the Patriots in 2000, he brought with him the foundation for the hideous "spam them with the slot" crap, making journeyman-caliber receivers like Troy Brown the focal point of NFL offenses. Gradually over time, every team started imitating his offense. And now every offense is essentially the same. The game is nothing but an ugly shotgun spreadfest that makes somebody coming open on each play a near certainty. And yes, it's his offense, as has been discussed before. He doesn't call the offensive plays, but he oversaw the development of the Patriots' offensive system based on ideas he had formed over the years. Let's get over the amount of facts you've got wrong throughout this, and let's just look at the highlighted part: Is that not entertaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, kramxel said: Let's get over the amount of facts you've got wrong throughout this, and let's just look at the highlighted part: Is that not entertaining? You mean, "let's just say you got stuff wrong but never say what it is" (because you can't make a cogent argument)? And no, that's not entertaining. Maybe to kids with ADHD who think Mike Leach's Texas Tech offenses were so fun to watch and defense is, "borrrrring, bro." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramxel Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, NFLExpert49 said: You mean, "let's just say you got stuff wrong but never say what it is" (because you can't make a cogent argument)? And no, that's not entertaining. Maybe to kids with ADHD who think Mike Leach's Texas Tech offenses were so fun to watch and defense is, "borrrrring, bro." For someone claiming to have a good grasp of how entertainment works, you seem to be in the minority on this subject. And slot receivers started to become relevant once enforcers were essentially banned from the game, for player safety reasons. That's the connection you seem to be missing on your whole conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, kramxel said: For someone claiming to have a good grasp of how entertainment works, you seem to be in the minority on this subject. And slot receivers started to become relevant once enforcers were essentially banned from the game, for player safety reasons. That's the connection you seem to be missing on your whole conspiracy theory. NFL ratings dropped way off from their peak, so I'm clearly not in the minority. And when was this "ban," pray tell? Also, "conspiracy theory?" I don't think you know what this term means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 8 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: Yes, it's absolutely a bad thing. People don't seem to understand how entertainment is supposed to work, or why it works when it does work. What is an example of a TV show that wasn't good because of too much character development (not bad writing)? Game of Thrones is probably the most popular show on television and damn near every character on that show has depth to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 9 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: Yes, it's absolutely a bad thing. People don't seem to understand how entertainment is supposed to work, or why it works when it does work. I have a very strong feeling that you and I have very different definitions of "entertainment". Let's try this - your favorite show is...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 minute ago, ET80 said: I have a very strong feeling that you and I have very different definitions of "entertainment". Let's try this - your favorite show is...? If I had to guess.... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6706818/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, iknowcool said: What is an example of a TV show that wasn't good because of too much character development (not bad writing)? Game of Thrones is probably the most popular show on television and damn near every character on that show has depth to them. Honestly, Breaking Bad didn't even have all that many characters, yet who the heck cared about Marie and her shoplifting? But worrying about the entertainment value in a PAT is more akin to demanding that some secretary extra who greeted Walt every time he came to school get a back story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plat2 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 This guy just hates everything about the league today.....its hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 3 hours ago, NFLExpert49 said: Honestly, Breaking Bad didn't even have all that many characters, yet who the heck cared about Marie and her shoplifting? But worrying about the entertainment value in a PAT is more akin to demanding that some secretary extra who greeted Walt every time he came to school get a back story. That's stupid. No that's like saying the supporting character who always shows up during the most important events in the show and plays a role in the final outcome of nearly ever episode should just be taken for granted and not developed. Its a play that comes after every TD that puts points on the board. If you don't want the play to mean anything... THEN DON'T HAVE THE PLAY. The way it was before made an important element of the game none competitive. Kickers literally dominate the points scored all time leaderboards (every single one of the top 25 point scorers in NFL history are placekickers) largely because they get a free point after every TD. You're literally arguing that the game should have inconsequential plays with no competitive value and should just be treated as a formality just because. No other major sport awards points for next to nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I love the new PATs. And we've probably missed more than anyone since the rule came into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 11 hours ago, lancerman said: That's stupid. No that's like saying the supporting character who always shows up during the most important events in the show and plays a role in the final outcome of nearly ever episode should just be taken for granted and not developed. Its a play that comes after every TD that puts points on the board. If you don't want the play to mean anything... THEN DON'T HAVE THE PLAY. The way it was before made an important element of the game none competitive. Kickers literally dominate the points scored all time leaderboards (every single one of the top 25 point scorers in NFL history are placekickers) largely because they get a free point after every TD. You're literally arguing that the game should have inconsequential plays with no competitive value and should just be treated as a formality just because. No other major sport awards points for next to nothing What you're missing is that it's a character who is on screen for 0.001% of the show, and it's an incredibly lame character to boot. This is making the lame character who is hardly ever on screen more important to the plot than he used to be. "You know, I think that extra secretary who used to say, 'good morning' to Walt when he entered the school every day should end up playing a bigger role in the outcome of the whole show! Walt ends up getting killed and failing at his goal of making enough meth money because the secretary fails to document his sick day." The part that draws people to football is everything but the kickers. The game is already heading in the direction of being two-hand touch as it is...so the solution is to make the team nerds play an even more prominent role in who wins and loses? Nobody takes the kickers seriously as all-time points leaders. Nobody will ever mention Morten Andersen when they are listing the "Legends Of the Game." The kneel down is also a "non-competitive play." Do we need to get rid of that next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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