jonnguy2015 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I think Brady ended the discussion after Super Bowl LI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On 7/19/2017 at 10:40 PM, Pats#1 said: AFCE has a higher win % against out of division opponents than half of the other divisions IIRC. The AFCE isn't a world beater division but people really overplay the help the Patriots get from being in it. Their win percentage against the rest of the league is identical to their win % against the AFCE. That stat really isn't a good indicator. The last 15 years, those three teams all have losing records against over .500 competition. Also, those three teams have combined to produce about 18 different head coaches and over 40 different starting QB's. On 7/19/2017 at 10:54 AM, domepatrol91 said: People bring up Joe being 4-0 in the big dance but don't mention three straight playoff appearances the 9ers were one-and-done with Joe throwing 0 TDs and 4 INTs in those three games. Brady's never had a slump like that, so that has to be looked at too. Yeah, but Joe didn't go 10 years without winning a ring like Brady did (and, I don't think that Joe is GOAT, either). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 On 8/8/2017 at 2:21 AM, 7DnBrnc53 said: That stat really isn't a good indicator. The last 15 years, those three teams all have losing records against over .500 competition. Also, those three teams have combined to produce about 18 different head coaches and over 40 different starting QB's. Really, lets stop acting like AFCE outside of Pats have been anything other than garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Tommy Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 which QB would you take at the age of 22 if you had an expansion team? Id go Peyton Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2lamanaki Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 15 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: Really, lets stop acting like AFCE outside of Pats have been anything other than garbage. That's sort of what happens when you get a dominant franchise like the Patriots. The other teams that have to play them twice a year tend to lose more games by default, and when teams/QBs lose games, those teams find new QBs to try and correct the problem. The Rams, Saints, and Falcons all looked relative poor through the 80s and 90s despite some good teams, and their QBs were infrequently at the top of the NFL while the 49ers dominated. The Eagles, Redskins, Cardinals, and Giants all struggled in the 90s because of the Cowboys. During the Packers run. It happens. The Jaguars, Titans, and Texans very rarely gave Peyton any trouble. The only division I can think of that really had those two successful/competitive teams non-stop is the AFC North with the Ravens/Steelers. Otherwise, there was never really any long-term dominant team with another sustained dominant presence within its own division. A couple years, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 3 hours ago, y2lamanaki said: That's sort of what happens when you get a dominant franchise like the Patriots. The other teams that have to play them twice a year tend to lose more games by default, and when teams/QBs lose games, those teams find new QBs to try and correct the problem. The Rams, Saints, and Falcons all looked relative poor through the 80s and 90s despite some good teams, and their QBs were infrequently at the top of the NFL while the 49ers dominated. The Eagles, Redskins, Cardinals, and Giants all struggled in the 90s because of the Cowboys. During the Packers run. It happens. The Jaguars, Titans, and Texans very rarely gave Peyton any trouble. The only division I can think of that really had those two successful/competitive teams non-stop is the AFC North with the Ravens/Steelers. Otherwise, there was never really any long-term dominant team with another sustained dominant presence within its own division. A couple years, sure. Or how about their divisions being garbage being part of the reason for their consistent and prolonged success? Im not trying to take anything away from the Patriots, but some users here are acting like AFCE is some powerhouse division, when outside the Pats, it's anything but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2lamanaki Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 27 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: Or how about their divisions being garbage being part of the reason for their consistent and prolonged success? The Patriots have been in the AFC Championship game 11 out of the past 16 seasons. What team were you planning to put in their division to stop them from winning it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 36 minutes ago, y2lamanaki said: 38 minutes ago, y2lamanaki said: The Patriots have been in the AFC Championship game 11 out of the past 16 seasons. What team were you planning to put in their division to stop them from winning it? I don't know but they haven't had to compete against Baltimore and Pittsburgh the way Baltimore and Pittsburgh have had to compete against each other. Not to mention Cincinnati somewhat lately. A five seed instead of a 1 seed can make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2lamanaki Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 @Jlowe22 - I get that, but New England is 6-1 (.857) against Baltimore in the Tom Brady years and 7-3 (.700) against Pittsburgh (both regular season). How much was that going to affect anything? The Pats actually have a lower win percentage against the Dolphins at 22-10 (.688) than those other teams. His win percentage against the Jets at 24-8 (.750) is still lower than against the Ravens. They even went 10-4 (.714) against the Colts as their most common non-divisional opponent, which is still better than the Dolphins. Or by division: AFC East - .776 AFC North - .800 Seems like they'd have been better off in the AFC North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I think the Pats would have won multiple super bowls regardless of division, I'm only saying there's no real competition for winning AFCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 11/08/2017 at 1:25 AM, Jlowe22 said: Really, lets stop acting like AFCE outside of Pats have been anything other than garbage. Not what the stats say. They show that we are average against our division compared to all divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeker Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1a. Montana 1b. Brady 3. Unitas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaserFocus Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1. Joe Montana 2. Tom Brady 3. Peyton Manning Montana owns four important advantages over Brady. The numbers are a wash, since Montana was playing in a more difficult era to throw the football. First, Montana walked into a more difficult situation than Brady did. Second, Montana lifted a different team to a conference title game, and the Chiefs haven't returned to that level since. Third, Montana never lost a Super Bowl, and helped Jerry Rice become the best ever WR. Fourth(and most importantly), Montana never lost the biggest game of his career, and Brady squandered his SB 42 opportunity. The 2007 Patriots blew a chance to be the best team ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Brady has the best stats (beyond being close) in two things which I found to be quite impressive. Wins/Rating when defence lets in 20+ points, and Wins/Rating when he throws the ball more than 50 times. The second one he's 18/9 (Brees;4/15, Manning; 4/12). You're just always in with a great chance of winning, with TB12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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