MKnight82 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, EAGLES3658 said: Do we know if Dak is good yet? We know he sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just went you didnt think Daniel Jones could be any more like Eli: @Gmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Just went you didnt think Daniel Jones could be any more like Eli: @Gmen He’s a winner tho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 @Matts4313 you take what the defense gives you. Jones went down field last week because the throws were there. With Saquon out of the game the Redskins played coverage. Jones has been spectacular for a rookie. He reads the field, has great anticipation and makes on time and accurate throws. It took Dak three years before he would throw to a receiver who wasn’t turned, facing him, and flailing his arms wildly. Jones plays like a veteran. He’s going to be scary good in this league. There will always be clowns that nitpick. The kid is 2-0 and has a 96 QBR. Gotta find something to pick at. But no trolling, I sincerely think Jones is better than Dak already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Gmen said: @Matts4313 you take what the defense gives you. Obviously 1 minute ago, Gmen said: Jones went down field last week because the throws were there. With Saquon out of the game the Redskins played coverage. Jones has been spectacular for a rookie. He reads the field, has great anticipation and makes on time and accurate throws. Clearly you are smart enough to see the obvious joke. Eli has been Dr. Checkdown/Mr. Turnover for the past 5 years. It was a lay up. 1 minute ago, Gmen said: It took Dak three years before he would throw to a receiver who wasn’t turned, facing him, and flailing his arms wildly. NFC East fans trying to make fun of the guy that owns all of their teams. Its a tale as old as time. 1 minute ago, Gmen said: Jones plays like a veteran. He’s going to be scary good in this league. There will always be clowns that nitpick. The kid is 2-0 and has a 96 QBR. Gotta find something to pick at. But no trolling, I sincerely think Jones is better than Dak already. ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 @Matts4313 there’s no need to get mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gmen said: @Matts4313 there’s no need to get mad Im not mad, I just think your stance on both Dak and Jones is really dumb. So when you put a sentence like that together, it doubly dumb. Dak is getting league MVP consideration for the second time in his 4 year career (I am well aware he wont win). Daniel Jones has played 2 games. They arent even comparable. Not even in the same stratosphere. PS: On 9/23/2019 at 10:43 PM, RandyMossIsBoss said: Patriots (--) Rams (--) Chiefs (--) Packers (--) Cowboys (--) Vikings (↑ 1) Texans (↑ 4) Would be 3-0 if not for insane Brees comeback, their win over Jags looks better, and they just beat a good Chargers team Ravens (↓ 1) Saints (↑ 5) Impressive performance all around IN Seattle, perhaps they will weather storm until Brees comes back if D keeps up play Colts (↑ 5) Back to back strong wins, only loss was nail biter in week 1. This is a talented team, and it looks like Brissett can get the job done 49ers (↑ 2) Eagles (↓ 4) Keep losing players and making mistakes, talent is there but things have been ugly for this team Browns (↓ 1) Seahawks (↓ 5) Brutal loss, just outplayed across the board at home in their 1st game against solid competition Lions (↑ 5) Undefeated, should be 3-0 moreso than just about any other handful of teams that should/could be 3-0. Back to back strong wins, Stafford looking nice. Chargers (↓ 6) Back to back tough Ls. Fall has more to do with other teams earning a jump. Need to see them close out. Bears (↑ 1) Bills (↑ 1) Falcons (↓ 2) Titans (↓ 4) Panthers (↑ 2) Jaguars (↑ 4) Buccaneers (↓ 2) Steelers (--) Cardinals (↑ 1) Raiders (↓ 1) Broncos (--) Giants (↑ 3) Jets (--) Bengals (↓ 1) Redskins (↓ 1) Dolphins (--) Still Too Early MVP Watch Patrick Mahomes (--) Tom Brady (--) Dak Prescott (↑ 1) Lamar Jackson (↓ 1) DeShaun Watson (↑ 3) Dalvin Cook (↑ 3) Aaron Rodgers (--) Russell Wilson (↓ 3) Carson Wentz (↓ 3) Marlon Mack (NR) On 9/24/2019 at 7:12 PM, RandyMossIsBoss said: Here are various top 10 lists of oft quoted passing statistics, ratings, grades, etc. that I will update throughout the season. I think it will be nice having them in one place. Also to compare which "system" seems to most accurately reflect QB play. Passer Rating 1 Pat Mahomes 134.9 2 Dak Prescott 128.0 3 Russell Wilson 119.6 4 Tom Brady 116.5 5 Lamar Jackson 113.9 6 Jacoby Brissett 112.0 7 Gardner Minshew 110.6 8 Deshaun Watson 108.6 9 Case Keenum 100.0 10 Marcus Marota 99.3 Total QBR 1 Dak Prescott 90.4 2 Pat Mahomes 89.6 3 Tom Brady 85.6 4 Lamar Jackson 80.2 5 Deshaun Watson 74.5 6 Russell Wilson 73.0 7 Matt Ryan 67.2 8 Carson Wentz 65.5 9 Joe Flacco 60.9 10 Jacoby Brissett 60.6 PFF 1 Tom Brady 91.4 2 Dak Prescott 90.4 3 Carson Wentz 86.1 4 Russell Wilson 85.8 5 Deshaun Watson 84.2 6 Pat Mahomes 81.9 7 Derek Carr 77.8 8 Gardner Minshew 77.1 9 Aaron Rodgers 74.4 10 Jimmy Garoppolo 74.3 DYAR 1 Pat Mahomes 555 2 Dak Prescott 468 3 Tom Brady 443 4 Russell Wilson 296 5 Lamar Jackson 285 6 Matthew Stafford 266 7 Jacoby Brissett 194 8 Case Keenum 177 9 Matt Ryan 157 10 Deshaun Watson 137 Jimmy Garoppolo 137 Philip Rivers 137 Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt 1 Pat Mahomes 11.77 2 Dak Prescott 10.39 3 Tom Brady 9.50 4 Lamar Jackson 9.15 5 Russell Wilson 8.67 6 Gardner Minshew 7.62 7 Matthew Stafford 7.61 8 Jimmy Garoppolo 7.47 9 Deshaun Watson 7.46 10 Kirk Cousins 7.14 Aggregate of these 5 lists (if you were to hold each in equal regard) QB PR QBR PFF DYAR ANY/A Avg 1 Dak Prescott 2 1 2 2 2 1.8 2 Pat Mahomes 1 2 6 1 1 2.2 3 Tom Brady 4 3 1 3 3 2.8 4 Russell Wilson 3 7 4 4 5 4.6 5 Lamar Jackson 5 4 14 5 4 6.4 6 Deshaun Watson 8 5 5 10 9 7.4 7 Matthew Stafford 12 11 12 6 7 9.6 8 Gardner Minshew 7 14 8 15 6 10.0 9 Jacoby Brissett 6 10 19 7 12 10.8 10 Philip Rivers 11 12 11 10 11 11.0 ^^^I obviously expect Dak to normalize around the top 10 range and not top 3. But you know who isnt on these list? Daniel Jones. Lets see if he is even as good as Minshew. Edited October 1, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimonas Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 water is wet. the sky is blue. dak sucks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 32 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Im not mad, I just think your stance on both Dak and Jones is really dumb. So when you put a sentence like that together, it doubly dumb. Dak is getting league MVP consideration for the second time in his 4 year career (I am well aware he wont win). Daniel Jones has played 2 games. They arent even comparable. Not even in the same stratosphere. PS: ^^^I obviously expect Dak to normalize around the top 10 range and not top 3. But you know who isnt on these list? Daniel Jones. Lets see if he is even as good as Minshew. Bad news, Total QBR loves Daniel Jones (top 3 IIRC) and he has enough attempts to qualify now for the 4 stats, so he might crack that list. TBD. We'll see how he fares on DYAR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Bad news, Total QBR loves Daniel Jones (top 3 IIRC) and he has enough attempts to qualify now for the 4 stats, so he might crack that list. TBD. We'll see how he fares on DYAR. 14th in ANY/A, 15th in QB Ratings, 3rd in QBR Havent seen the PFF/DYAR list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 @Matts4313 numbers aren’t going to change anyone’s mind about Dak because he’s had a great offensive line, great running back, etc. It’s difficult but you have to try to evaluate players in a vacuum. How would Daniel Jones look if he was in Dak’s position? How would Dak do on the Giants? All things even, I believe Jones is a better quarterback. And that’s just my opinion. But I’m biased. As is everyone in this forum. The number crunching won’t sway opinions. I understand your frustration though. I always felt like Eli never got the respect he deserved. But whatever 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) I'm starting to wonder if Matt's is somehow Robert De Niro and Dak is Wesley Snipes? Would actually explain a lot! Edited October 1, 2019 by Nabbs4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Most people tend to bash PFF because it doesn't line up with their conventional thinking, I've always been a closet PFF fan frankly, just make sure to continue forming your own opinions and use it as a guideline not the law of the land. Runningback is always weird with them though IMO. I can immediately think of 3 "You blew it Carson" plays this season. 1. The second pick of the Falcons game, first one was basically a punt so NBD 2. When he missed Goedert crossing the field wide open on a play that if he threw it to him would have been a TD 3. The horribly inaccurate pass attempt to Alshon on the last drive of the Green Bay game towards the right sideline. Edited October 1, 2019 by Danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Gmen said: @Matts4313 numbers aren’t going to change anyone’s mind about Dak because he’s had a great offensive line, great running back, etc. It’s difficult but you have to try to evaluate players in a vacuum. How would Daniel Jones look if he was in Dak’s position? How would Dak do on the Giants? All things even, I believe Jones is a better quarterback. And that’s just my opinion. But I’m biased. As is everyone in this forum. The number crunching won’t sway opinions. I understand your frustration though. I always felt like Eli never got the respect he deserved. But whatever 🤷♂️ Eli was a savant. He was good once he got past the first round of the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 48 minutes ago, Danger said: Most people tend to bash PFF because it doesn't line up with their conventional thinking, I've always been a closet PFF fan frankly, just make sure to continue forming your own opinions and use it as a guideline not the law of the land. Runningback is always weird with them though IMO. I can immediately think of 3 "You blew it Carson" plays this season. 1. The second pick of the Falcons game, first one was basically a punt so NBD 2. When he missed Goedert crossing the field wide open on a play that if he threw it to him would have been a TD 3. The horribly inaccurate pass attempt to Alshon on the last drive of the Green Bay game towards the right sideline. Who hasn't made an inaccurate pass this season. We'd be 4-0 if our WR's could catch the ball late in the 4th quarter. Also, Daniel Jones is better than Dak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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