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13 minutes ago, 48 1/2ers said:

I'd think the #2 pick would be shopped around and sold to the highest bidder. If the Jets want to lock in their chances at Bosa, I'd recommend they check out a recent 2017 draft day trade with Chicago. 

Anyone trading up is likely looking for a QB, like in the example you gave. I don't think Bosa is worth really trading up for unless its a fringe team that's a pass rusher away and has draft capital to spare. Maybe Detroit or Green Bay? Jets should sit tight and let Bosa or Josh Allen fall to them; Bosa being the higher floor and more pro ready of the two. Better pedigree as well.

Also, how far back are the 49ers willing to go? 

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3 hours ago, BStanRamFan said:

Also, how far back are the 49ers willing to go? 

You're probably right about the QB need, but the Bears fans would agree that trade hasn't hurt them and the Jets could survive just the same if they wanted to guarantee their preference between Bosa/Allen, just a thought not even sure I believe they'd do it.  

But as to how far back the 49ers would go, I'd say at worst 11 in a trade w/ Cincy. From there they would still have a shot at one of the top Edge guys, and probably DK, Greedy, Byron Murphy, CGJ. and Adderly

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3 hours ago, Fureys49ers said:

Has been my thinking towards adding Allen for quite sometime, even before the Ford trade. I’m a huge fan of getting our most talented players the most playing time.

If you're drafting Allen, you're not doing it on the basis that he can play SAM. That would be one of the dumbest things I have seen this organization do in a long time, and that's saying something. You're still drafting him on his ability to rush the passer; the SAM aspect should be nothing more than gravy / bonus. If he can play SAM but can't rush the passer, that's a horrible, horrible pick. Now, this article isn't really a rumor so much as a guy just spitballing some ideas, and he's not completely wrong, but it needs some nuance. 

Personally, i get the "get your most talented players the most playing time". But there's something to be said for statistical efficiency and specialists. Look at the way baseball adjusted. There is nothing wrong with sitting Ford on run downs when you know he can't play the run. There's nothing wrong with selecting Bosa and then only having him on the edge in passing downs and on the bench the rest of the time. We have the depth to do that. You can just as easily produce a 4-3 line of Solly (SDE) - Buckner (3 tech) - Armstead (1 tech) / Jones - Bosa (LEO) against the run (you can even put Thomas and Armstead on the edges with Buck and Jones on the interior). Your SAM spot can be filled adequately by any number of guys and then have Warner - Alexander. Then when it's passing downs where people are rushing the passer with their hair on fire, having a set up like Bosa  and Ford on the outside with Buckner and Thomas on the interior. That's fine. You don't need to be getting an 85% snap share count to make yourself worth while, especially if on 20% of those snaps you're really not that great, to be honest. If you're not that great against the run, why do I want you in there playing against the run even if I'm paying you 20 million a year? You're just not that great at it. That's fine. That's not what I'm paying you 20 million for anyway lol. 

If we had continued to utilize Aldon Smith as we did his rookie season, where basically he only came in to play defensive end on passing downs, would anyone be lamenting that pick from a production standpoint? He managed 14 sacks that first year. Would anyone have been livid if we didn't play him more in situations where he was going to be in coverage or stopping the run? I feel like that is probably unlikely. 

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1 hour ago, Forge said:

If you're drafting Allen, you're not doing it on the basis that he can play SAM. That would be one of the dumbest things I have seen this organization do in a long time, and that's saying something. You're still drafting him on his ability to rush the passer; the SAM aspect should be nothing more than gravy / bonus. If he can play SAM but can't rush the passer, that's a horrible, horrible pick. Now, this article isn't really a rumor so much as a guy just spitballing some ideas, and he's not completely wrong, but it needs some nuance. 

Personally, i get the "get your most talented players the most playing time". But there's something to be said for statistical efficiency and specialists. Look at the way baseball adjusted. There is nothing wrong with sitting Ford on run downs when you know he can't play the run. There's nothing wrong with selecting Bosa and then only having him on the edge in passing downs and on the bench the rest of the time. We have the depth to do that. You can just as easily produce a 4-3 line of Solly (SDE) - Buckner (3 tech) - Armstead (1 tech) / Jones - Bosa (LEO) against the run (you can even put Thomas and Armstead on the edges with Buck and Jones on the interior). Your SAM spot can be filled adequately by any number of guys and then have Warner - Alexander. Then when it's passing downs where people are rushing the passer with their hair on fire, having a set up like Bosa  and Ford on the outside with Buckner and Thomas on the interior. That's fine. You don't need to be getting an 85% snap share count to make yourself worth while, especially if on 20% of those snaps you're really not that great, to be honest. If you're not that great against the run, why do I want you in there playing against the run even if I'm paying you 20 million a year? You're just not that great at it. That's fine. That's not what I'm paying you 20 million for anyway lol. 

If we had continued to utilize Aldon Smith as we did his rookie season, where basically he only came in to play defensive end on passing downs, would anyone be lamenting that pick from a production standpoint? He managed 14 sacks that first year. Would anyone have been livid if we didn't play him more in situations where he was going to be in coverage or stopping the run? I feel like that is probably unlikely. 

Exactly, I should have been more clear. I’d be drafting Allen for his pass rushing and ability to be a play maker for us on defense. This would most likely come in the form as pass rusher on edge. However, in base downs with the talent we do have and his versatility it’s a huge bonus that he could play SAM and do so at a very efficient and effective rate. I know the argument that SAM barely plays but that’s also because we’ve barely wanted who was playing SAM to play. And on sub packages where we have four down lineman Allen would be one of them on the opposite side of Ford with still the ability to drop back and perform stunts with Werner and Kwon. He’s an extremely talented chess piece for our defense and a playmaker at all levels. 

I’m a fan of Bosa and what he brings, I love Allen’s skill set and versatility to be able to disguise our defensive schemes easier and QW next to Buckner is mouth watering. Which ever direction we go at 2 I’ll be fine. It’s the rounds after that I’m more worried about as there are certain positions I would like to see addressed and obviously have no clue as to if they will be or not

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13 minutes ago, minutemancl said:

What are the early rumors so far of the Jets and 49ers interest in trading down?

It's speculated (and maybe mentioned as a rumor earlier in the thread?) that the Jets would be willing to trade down to recoup their missing 2nd round pick. I believe the thinking is also the positions that would greatly benefit Darnold aren't worth the #3 pick

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1 hour ago, EL Guapo said:

Giants had dinner with Haskins last night

Yup. The whole FO was out in full force: Gettleman, 2 Maras, and their top scout Chris Pettit, who was the guy Saquon shook hands with immediately after his 40 at the combine last year. I think this squashes the pretty unsubstantiated rumor from Diana Russini that the Giants "weren't interested and weren't doing their homework" on Haskins. I would assume this puts him back in play at 6 from an outsider, mock draft maker perspective.

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2 hours ago, minutemancl said:

What are the early rumors so far of the Jets and 49ers interest in trading down?

I think it'd be difficult for the 49ers to move down, given that either QW or Bosa (or both) will be on the board. I think it may take a haul to get them out of that spot. The rumors were that they wouldn't include the #2 in any OBJ trade (I'm guessing that even includes a swap of firsts?), so I think that they want to stay there and that there isn't really a "major" interest in moving down (obviously, they'd still field call, but I think the chance of a trade down is pretty slim). 

I feel like the Jets have already put it out there that the #3 pick is for sale, so that seems like the far likelier candidate. They also lack a second round pick this year. 

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