TecmoSuperJoe Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 9 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: From 1991-93, they ranked sixth, ninth, and fourth in points allowed. And in every postseason from that span they had a defensive choke job. A comeback from Elway on a long game winning drive, the epic comeback by Buffalo, and the 4th quarter collapse against Montana, and Marcus Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Of recent-ish teams, 2008 Jets come to mind. Their offensive line was incredible - Ferguson, Faneca, Mangold, Moore, and Woody were all among the best at their positions. Then you had two solid receivers in Cole and Cotchery, a very good RB in Jones who put up 1300 yards and 13 TDs, and of course Brett Favre. Defensively, they were strong too. Ellis, Jenkins, Harris, Revis, Lowery, and Rhodes. They beat the hell out of the Titans that season when they were undefeated at the time IIRC. At one point they were 8-3 albeit the schedule up to that point wasn't tough. Then Favre got hurt and they fell off the map, didn't even make the playoffs. It was largely the same roster who made the AFC Championship game in 2010 and 2011. I wonder how far they could have gone if Favre kept playing at a solid level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispw1 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The Titans of McNair, George, Dyson, Wycheck, Kearse etc not winning a Super Bowl and only getting to one, looking back having that stretch where they were lame ducks in Houston then a couple years in temporary homes hurt them a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Mid- to late 00s Chargers with Rivers, Tomlinson, Gates, Merriman, etc. Only made one CCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, PapaShogun said: And in every postseason from that span they had a defensive choke job. A comeback from Elway on a long game winning drive, the epic comeback by Buffalo, and the 4th quarter collapse against Montana, and Marcus Allen. The defense did choke, but the special teams had something to do with the Buffalo loss, and the Run and Shoot was a hindrance in the playoffs because it didn't control the clock when they needed it most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Pence Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 From 1977-80, the Patriots had one of the most talented teams in football, but managed to make the playoffs just once in those four years. Off-season problems plagued them, including highly-publicized holdouts by key players at the beginning of the '77 and '80 seasons. The team's lone division title year in that span, 1978, had its postseason sabotaged by Chuck Fairbank's abandonment of the team following the regular season finale. Crucial to the Patriots falling short during this period was their awful performance in primetime as they went 1-7 on MNF during these four years. In '81, the bottom fell out despite the core of the roster still being intact and the Pats plummeted to 2-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 hours ago, iknowcool said: t was largely the same roster who made the AFC Championship game in 2010 and 2011. I wonder how far they could have gone if Favre didn't tear his bicep. FTFY. That year was unreal, but AFC was stacked that year even with Brady out. Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Chargers, were all capable of beating the Jets straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The late 70's and early 80's Chargers with Pro Bowlers and future HOF guys on both sides of the ball to go along with Air Coryell is one...let alone the Marty Chargers in the early to mid 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/19/2019 at 8:25 AM, AkronsWitness said: Every Packers team since 2011 If you believe not winning a SB as underachieving then yes. However, in that stretch of 8 years the Pack made the playoffs 6 times and the NFCC game twice. Not many other teams this side of NE can say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 9:17 AM, MWil23 said: The late 70's and early 80's Chargers with Pro Bowlers and future HOF guys on both sides of the ball to go along with Air Coryell is one.. The 1979 and 80 Chargers were the best teams in that four-year run. If I had to choose between them, I would pick 1980 because Winslow was available all year, and they added RB Chuck Muncie to their roster. In 79, they didn't seem to take the depleted Oilers very seriously, and it cost them. However, a lot of their fans think that they would have defeated Pittsburgh the next week. I'm not so sure about that (even though Pittsburgh would have had to travel to SD). The Steelers wouldn't have played anywhere near as bad as they did in November, when they lost 35-7 to the Chargers. That was an experienced group that stepped it up in the playoffs. In 1980, I'm not sure if they beat Buffalo if Joe Ferguson was healthy. However, Fouts made a clutch play to Ron Smith, and they were able to survive. Against the Raiders, they had several blown opportunities (offsides on a fumble recovery on a kickoff, Jefferson missing a pass in the end zone, Wilbur Young's offsides on a 3rd and 6 with about 6 minutes to go, etc...). If they don't shoot themselves in the foot against the Raiders, I see them defeating the uptight Eagles in Super Bowl XV. As for 1981, I don't think they should have made the playoffs. Their D was horrid. If Doug Williams and Jimmie Giles don't have that stupid play for Tampa late in their Week 15 game against SD, the Chargers may not have gotten in that year. 1982 brought a new defensive coordinator (Tom Bass from Tampa) a new 3-4 defensive alignment, and some veterans (Bruce Laird, Tim Fox, Dave Lewis) added to their defense. There was a slight improvement (they went from 26th to 24th in points allowed and 27th to 25th in yards allowed), but their season ended a round earlier (in Miami, where it almost ended the year before). After that, there were no more playoffs for the Air Coryell era. The main reason, in my mind, is that the defense never really came around (they wouldn't have a top-10 defense in scoring and overall yards allowed until 1989, two years after Fouts and Winslow retired) during Fouts' tenure. The closest they came to making the playoffs in the Fouts era after 1982 was in 1985 (they lost to the Vikings on a TD pass with about 30 seconds left, the Oilers beat them with a late 50+ yard FG, and the Broncos beat them in OT on a blocked FG return. If they win those games, they are 11-4 going into Week 16) and 1987 (they started 8-1 in the strike-shortened scab year, and they lost their last six games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 15 hours ago, Pugger said: If you believe not winning a SB as underachieving then yes. However, in that stretch of 8 years the Pack made the playoffs 6 times and the NFCC game twice. Not many other teams this side of NE can say the same thing. Seems like everyone likes to compare every other team to New England, and its a bit ridiculous. I get New England is the gold standard, but they have the GOAT coach combined with arguably the GOAT QB. We are likely never going to see a team this consistently dominant for 2 straight decades in the NFL ever again....so its silly to compare every other team to them. To a point, teams like the Steelers and Packers have kind of underachieved, but doesnt change the fact that they have been 2 of the more successful franchises of the last two decades AFTER New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 7 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: Seems like everyone likes to compare every other team to New England, and its a bit ridiculous. I get New England is the gold standard, but they have the GOAT coach combined with arguably the GOAT QB. We are likely never going to see a team this consistently dominant for 2 straight decades in the NFL ever again....so its silly to compare every other team to them. To a point, teams like the Steelers and Packers have kind of underachieved, but doesnt change the fact that they have been 2 of the more successful franchises of the last two decades AFTER New England. It might be ridiculous but is a gold standard going forward when they had the perfect storm of HC/QB and a division they have dominated over this time, especially at home and secured numerous playoff spots because of it? In any other era what the Steelers and Packers have done in this stretch would be looked at entirely differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Pugger said: Is it really a gold standard if indeed we will likely never see a team dominate the league like NE again because of their coach and QB combo plus the other teams in that division haven't been that strong recently so they have often beaten those teams regularly, especially at home? It has been the perfect storm for them. In any other era what the Steelers and Packers have done in this stretch would be looked at entirely differently. The gold standard is pretty much what all teams strive to be. Even if what the Pats have done is pretty much unattainable or at least extremely unlikely, it is still what all teams should ASPIRE to be like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 First thing that came to mind was the Bills losing four straight superbowls 91-94. While getting to the championship game is in and of itself a success, losing that many in a row is certainly underachieving. They had dynasty potential. The Chargers in general are a good one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 That 2010 Patriots team had no business losing to freaking Mark Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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