CWood21 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, TheOnlyThing said: Complain? Who is complaining about Gute turning over the roster? Yes, complain. You've literally started the exact same thread multiple times. If that's not complaining, I don't know what is. Just to prove a point, let's go look at the 2015 and 2016 Packer rosters. https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/9/5/9266603/packers-2015-53-man-roster-finalized-nine-ol-11-dbshttps://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2016/9/3/12787156/green-bay-packers-final-ish-53-man-roster-for-2016 Let's go down the list of guys who are on the 2015 roster, but not on the 2016 roster. QB Scott Tolzien RB Alonzo Harris FB John Kuhn WR Myles White TE Andrew Quarless TE Kennard Backman OG Josh Sitton OL Don Barclay OG Josh Walker DT BJ Raji DT Josh Boyd DT Mike Pennel DT Bruce Gaston LB Mike Neal LB Andy Mulumba CB Casey Hayward CB Demetri Goodson S Sean Richardson So over the course of a calendar year, Ted Thompson replaced 19 players from his 2015 roster. And that doesn't even include them replacing Tim Masthay with Jacob Schum. So over the course of 2 offseasons, that projects to replacing 38 players. That's damn near identical to what you're praising Gute for right now. Care to guess how many players the Patriots jettisoned from 2017 to 2018? 19. Again, identical to what Gute replaced going from 2015 to 2016. So what exactly is your point here? That Gute is jettisoning out his 46-53 part of his roster? I hate to burst your bubble, but that's the case with every NFL franchise not just Gute and a handful of franchises. OR that he lets his players that are going onto their 3rd contracts walk? Again, hate to burst your bubble but that's where majority of the franchises decided to end their relationship with the player. 1 hour ago, TheOnlyThing said: The only ones I can see complaining about Gute's ongoing roster purge are the ever dwindling number of folks who still believe the prior GM's "drafting record ... stands up as well as any" other NFL GM between 2011 and 2017. If you're going to troll, you need to learn how to do it better. And before you come in here saying you're not trolling, you are. Intentionally misrepresenting facts or someone's argument is trolling. If you want to continue this path, we can just issue warnings. 1 hour ago, TheOnlyThing said: I think most Packer fans understand that Gute inherited a roster that badly needed an infusion of talent and thus accept his decisions to move on from, among others, the starting TE, RB, FB, LG, 2 of the 3 top WRs, 2 starting OLBs, 1 starting ILB, 4 of the top 5 CBs, and 4 of the top 5 Safeties he inherited. So...they need to replace the entire roster? Good to know we're the Cleveland Browns. Oh wait, we're not. That's what happens when you have multiple departures, and don't adequately replace that talent. Ted's drafts in recent years didn't adequately replace that talent, which is why we moved on. But when exactly were the Packers supposed to pull the plug on Ted? I'm legitimately curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I need to win the Powerball and buy this site.. It's the only way this problem is every going to be solved lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 So it turns out that there's not much (if anything) separating the moves of two GMs from the same tree? Shocking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 The draft needs to be moved up 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestar Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, cannondale said: The draft needs to be moved up You and I both know that as soon as the draft is over, the conversation is going to move to whether or not we can keep Kumerow on the roster. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: "Amazing" is not the word I would use to describe it considering our record last year. What is amazing is how many over the hill, total projects and below average athletes are on that list. Every team has a couple but dang that was 2/3 our roster. Edited March 20, 2019 by MantyWrestler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Playing devils advocate, most rosters have about 40-50% turnover in a 2 year period, especially when looking at non starters. TT typically had 10-13 rookies on the final 53 every year. Gute has made moves, but I want to wait and see how the draft classes look after 2 years under him, if his HC choice was good, and if the FA class makes an impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I think any fan on this site with a new GM can make a thread like this. Look at Chicago. Pace Purged that roster that Kyle Long is the only player left from the previous GM. Roster purges happen with long tenured GM'S. Look at the Patriots and the amount of turnover year to year. If your name isn't Brady or Gronk you're expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 You guys are TT apologists! We didn't even get to the part where TT was a poopyhead! He also hired MM, who is a jerkface! It is like the trifecta of bad, but only two guys! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I've told ToT countless times that there's virtually zero difference in the roster turnover between Gute and other GMs league wide and he never accepts it, sweeps it under the rug and acts like it's somehow different than literally every GM ever (even GMs who get rid of their own players). You can look at every single team in the league and they will average about 20 different players a year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I think the point that is getting lost here is the fact that Gute is quicker to jettison underperforming players than TT was. Think of it this way: how many years were we subjected to Jarrett Bush and then Nick Perry? Coaching staff wise: at what point would Dom have finally been let go had it not been for TT stepping down? One can easily make the case that Dom's influence in the War Room significantly tarnished the legacies of both TT and MM. That point is getting lost in translation, at least at this point in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Joe said: I think the point that is getting lost here is the fact that Gute is quicker to jettison underperforming players than TT was. Think of it this way: how many years were we subjected to Jarrett Bush and then Nick Perry? Coaching staff wise: at what point would Dom have finally been let go had it not been for TT stepping down? One can easily make the case that Dom's influence in the War Room significantly tarnished the legacies of both TT and MM. That point is getting lost in translation, at least at this point in time. You aren't wrong. Now will he be the same with "his guys" going forward is my next question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 hours ago, MantyWrestler said: What is amazing is how many over the hill, total projects and below average athletes are on that list. Every team has a couple but dang that was 2/3 our roster. 2/3rds? You're kidding, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 hours ago, MantyWrestler said: What is amazing is how many over the hill, total projects and below average athletes are on that list. Every team has a couple but dang that was 2/3 our roster. Pretty much every team after the core 22, K, P, LS has maybe 1 good backup per position groups, and a bunch of projects that play special teams. There is a reason the average career is like 2-3 years. Half a normal roster is given a year or 2 to develop and are just guys who are replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemike778 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 15 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: "Amazing" is not the word I would use to describe it considering our record last year. I think you have to give Gute a free pass for a year. But its his roster now and we have to win games next year. If we don't make the play-offs and Rodgers plays the majority of the season then he has been a failure. For all TT's failings (and his record near the end was dodgy), when he had Rodgers we made the playoffs and had a super-bowl shot. The roster turnover is to be expected for a new GM but really, it was a weaker roster than we had the majority of seasons under TT. That's OK for a year whilst he gets in who he wants. Its not OK for two years on the bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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