Official 2020 DL/EDGE Thread

[BleedTheClock]

1 minute ago, Danger said:

I just want you and everyone else to know that I was the first one on the Jayson Oweh hype train. That is all.

Is he their other DE? A skill number-wearing dude, right?

[Danger]

4 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

Is he their other DE? A skill number-wearing dude, right?

He's the guy who I'd consider the favorite to take over YGM starting spot. Obviously all things are inflated in private university workouts but he reportedly ran a 4.33 40 last spring at 6'5" 256. 

He also had 5 sacks with, just 1 start last season otherwise coming off the bench. He wears #28

Edited March 5, 2020 by Danger

[BleedTheClock]

Just now, Danger said:

He's the guy who I'd consider the favorite to take over YGM starting spot. Obviously all things are inflated in private university workouts but he reportedly ran a 4.33 40 last spring at 6'5" 256. 

He also had 5 sacks with, just 1 start last season otherwise coming off the bench.

I remember them having a standup DE that was lighting it up on their film. I think he was like #20-something or #40-something? It was a skill position number.

[Danger]

7 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

I remember them having a standup DE that was lighting it up on their film. I think he was like #20-something or #40-something? It was a skill position number.

Edited my post after the fact, yeah dude wears #28

Micah Parsons says "Oweh smokes me" in a race. Also allegedly has a 36.5' vertical which would have been tops amongst all attending combine participants on the DLine this year.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Danger

[warsawian]

Where does everyone have Khalil Davis going now?  

Guy dominated the shrine bowl, then went to the combine and put up Aaron Donald like numbers at 6'1 305.  I think he was out of position at Nebraska playing 3-4 DE and yet he was still very productive.  He could be a hidden gem as a 3 tech on a 4-3 defense. 

[goldfishwars]

25 minutes ago, warsawian said:

Where does everyone have Khalil Davis going now?  

Guy dominated the shrine bowl, then went to the combine and put up Aaron Donald like numbers at 6'1 305.  I think he was out of position at Nebraska playing 3-4 DE and yet he was still very productive.  He could be a hidden gem as a 3 tech on a 4-3 defense. 

He wasn't particularly productive by most measures to be honest. I went back and watched a lot of him and his brother and it was pretty underwhelming. He gets pushed around a whole lot and whilst you see flashes of that athleticism, there's generally just no rush plan at all - just a squatty guy trying to shoot through a gap. He's a project at this point. 

[warsawian]

2 minutes ago, goldfishwars said:

He wasn't particularly productive by most measures to be honest. I went back and watched a lot of him and his brother and it was pretty underwhelming. He gets pushed around a whole lot and whilst you see flashes of that athleticism, there's generally just no rush plan at all - just a squatty guy trying to shoot through a gap. He's a project at this point. 

Yeah I know what you are talking about as far as getting pushed around at times, I was speaking productivity in terms of stats and all conference honors.  As for his underwhelming tape, I was chalking it up to being isolated against much larger offensive tackles that had much more leverage than he did while playing out of position as a 3-4 DE.  I think he is scheme specific and thought maybe the shrine bowl showed what he might be capable of in a better scheme. 

I see him as a project as well, but with high potential.  

What round do you project him to go in?  5th? 

 

[MSURacerDT55]

Meh, Idk... Oweh is much more impressive as an athlete than a football player at this point IMO

[jebrick]

39 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Meh, Idk... Oweh is much more impressive as an athlete than a football player at this point IMO

I agree.  Very raw.  Does not mean he will not be good.  Just not good right away.  He needs to get stronger.  If an Olineman get their hands on him it is all over.  He does not beat doubles.

[lark25]

Rank combine drills in importance for DE:

- 3 cone

- 10yd

- vert

- broad

- bench

-40 

for mine

[BleedTheClock]

3 hours ago, lark25 said:

Rank combine drills in importance for DE:

- 3 cone

- 10yd

- vert

- broad

- bench

-40 

for mine

Vert is my #1. It measures explosion more than anything else. 

[goldfishwars]

4 hours ago, lark25 said:

Rank combine drills in importance for DE:

- 3 cone

- 10yd

- vert

- broad

- bench

-40 

for mine

Here are the most productive edge rushers in the NFL over the past couple of seasons. Most predictive scores based on their average scores are a good broad jump  (3 Cones and Verts are also above the average) and a good 40 time. Least predictive are 10 yard splits and bench reps, although both are slightly above average percentiles. 

 

Name	10 Yard	3 Cone	Vert	Broad	Bench	40
Bud Dupree	1.6	7.52	42	138		4.56
Cam Jordan			31	117	25	4.74
Chandler Jones		7.07	35	120	22	4.87
Danielle Hunter	1.58	6.95	36.5	130	25	4.57
D Lawrence	1.62	7.46	34.5	113	20	4.8
Frank Clark	1.7	7.08	38.5	118	19	4.79
Jadeveon Clowney	1.56	7.27	37.5	124	21	4.53
Jason Pierre-Paul	1.68	7.18	30.5	115	19	4.78
Joey Bosa	1.68	6.89	32	120	24	4.86
Josh Allen		7.15		118	28	4.63
Justin Houston			36.5	125	30	4.62
Khalil Mack	1.56	7.08	40	128	23	4.65
Myles Garrett			41	128	33	4.64
Nick Bosa		7.1	33.5	116	29	4.79
Preston Smith	1.63	7.07	34	121	24	4.74
Robert Quinn	1.61	7.13	34	116	22	4.62
Shaq Barrett	1.68	6.9	29	113	16	4.73
TJ Watt		6.79	37	128	21	4.69
Von Miller	1.57	6.7	37	126	21	4.42
Za'Darius Smith	1.76	7.42	29	113	23	4.83
Average	1.63	7.10	35.18	121.35	23.42	4.69
Percentile	55%	77%	74%	82%	55%	80%

[Daniel]

So who you guys like as Edge No. 4? Seems it’s Young, then YGM or Epenesa for most folks, but I haven’t seen a consensus for the next player.

I like Greenard myself.

[goldfishwars]

2 hours ago, goldfishwars said:

Here are the most productive edge rushers in the NFL over the past couple of seasons. Most predictive scores based on their average scores are a good broad jump  (3 Cones and Verts are also above the average) and a good 40 time. Least predictive are 10 yard splits and bench reps, although both are slightly above average percentiles. 

 

Name	10 Yard	3 Cone	Vert	Broad	Bench	40
Bud Dupree	1.6	7.52	42	138		4.56
Cam Jordan			31	117	25	4.74
Chandler Jones		7.07	35	120	22	4.87
Danielle Hunter	1.58	6.95	36.5	130	25	4.57
D Lawrence	1.62	7.46	34.5	113	20	4.8
Frank Clark	1.7	7.08	38.5	118	19	4.79
Jadeveon Clowney	1.56	7.27	37.5	124	21	4.53
Jason Pierre-Paul	1.68	7.18	30.5	115	19	4.78
Joey Bosa	1.68	6.89	32	120	24	4.86
Josh Allen		7.15		118	28	4.63
Justin Houston			36.5	125	30	4.62
Khalil Mack	1.56	7.08	40	128	23	4.65
Myles Garrett			41	128	33	4.64
Nick Bosa		7.1	33.5	116	29	4.79
Preston Smith	1.63	7.07	34	121	24	4.74
Robert Quinn	1.61	7.13	34	116	22	4.62
Shaq Barrett	1.68	6.9	29	113	16	4.73
TJ Watt		6.79	37	128	21	4.69
Von Miller	1.57	6.7	37	126	21	4.42
Za'Darius Smith	1.76	7.42	29	113	23	4.83
Average	1.63	7.10	35.18	121.35	23.42	4.69
Percentile	55%	77%	74%	82%	55%	80%

 

This year's class who tested at the Combine for comparison:

 

Name	10 Yard	3 Cone	Vert	Broad	Bench	40
A.J. Epenesa	1.78	7.34	32.5	117	17	5.04
Alex Highsmith	1.69	7.32	33	125		4.7
Alton Robinson	1.65	7.32	35.5	119	25	4.69
Bradlee Anae	1.68	7.44	31	115	25	4.93
Carter Coughlin	1.54		36	126		4.57
Casey Toohill	1.54	7.08	39	126	17	4.62
Curtis Weaver	1.62	7	32.5	116
Derrek Tuszka	1.69	6.87	33.5	120	24	4.79
DJ Wonnum	1.7	7.25	34.5	123	20	4.73
Jabari Zuniga	1.61		33	127	29	4.64
James Smith-Williams	1.63	7.35	32	123	28	4.6
Jason Strowbridge	1.72	7.45	31	113	26	4.89
Jonathan Garvin	1.67		36	125	23	4.82
Jonathan Greenard	1.71	7.13	30.5	113	22	4.87
Kendall Coleman	1.7	7.5	32	114		4.95
Kenny Willekes	1.69	7.39	32.5	119	32	4.87
Terrell Lewis			37	124
Yetur Gross-Matos			34	120	20
Average	1.66	7.26	33.64	120.28	23.69	4.78
Percentile	32%	41%	58%	80%	44%	60%

[CWood21]

6 hours ago, lark25 said:

Rank combine drills in importance for DE:

3 cone
10 yard split
vertical
broad
Bench
40 yard

Personally, I use a combination of KEI (bench + broad + vertical) and 10 yard split.  And then 3 cone as well.  I think it was Waldo who had a 3-cone based on weight.  Running a 7.00 3 cone at 220 pounds is a lot different than running it at 280 pounds.