NateDawg Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Never ending bender of bad choices by this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, buno67 said: Money for Schobert isn’t worth it. Going after a lineman is tho Again, what linemen are available that are worth paying top dollar to? Castonzo and Bulaga are probably the best ones. Both are in their 30s though, and I doubt Indianapolis lets Castonzo go. Scherff might be a good signing, but our interior OL isn't nearly as big of a problem as our tackles. Plus, we could easily sign a guard like Scherff and resign Schobert. If Schobert is gonna be paid Mosley like money, then I might agree that he's not worth it. But he's still worth paying big bucks too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Don’t tell me this FO is going to just let JoeSho walk and plug Taki into the lineup so he can start, as one of our draft picks. Letting him walk without investing in keeping him around is so insane. This organization really doesn’t deserve a winner when they make moves like that. Hoping this is just misinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnies20 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, NateDawg said: Don’t tell me this FO is going to just let JoeSho walk and plug Taki into the lineup so he can start, as one of our draft picks. Letting him walk without investing in keeping him around is so insane. This organization really doesn’t deserve a winner when they make moves like that. Hoping this is just misinformation. The situation isn’t as dire as the media is reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 hours ago, NateDawg said: Don’t tell me this FO is going to just let JoeSho walk and plug Taki into the lineup so he can start, as one of our draft picks. Letting him walk without investing in keeping him around is so insane. This organization really doesn’t deserve a winner when they make moves like that. Hoping this is just misinformation. You also don’t really win investing top tier money into a 2nd tier Players.. joe is good but we’re making him out to be like he is one of the best ILBs in the league. Which he isn’t. Solid linebacker but not a true difference maker. We have had a questionable run defense the past few years and he has been a common variable in that equation. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. Nothing about his game is elite. I’m fine keeping or letting him walk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, DawgX said: Again, what linemen are available that are worth paying top dollar to Conklin, Castonzo, Bulaga, Daryl Williams, Glasgow. OL needs fixed first and foremost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, buno67 said: You also don’t really win investing top tier money into a 2nd tier Players.. joe is good but we’re making him out to be like he is one of the best ILBs in the league. Which he isn’t. Solid linebacker but not a true difference maker. We have had a questionable run defense the past few years and he has been a common variable in that equation. He is a jack of all trades, master of none. Nothing about his game is elite. I’m fine keeping or letting him walk I’ll just leave this here... Scobert to C.J. Mosley first 3 years starting More Sacks Same FR More FF Same INT Schobert 3yrs to Myles Jack 4yrs starting More INT More FF More PD More FR More Sacks More TFL More Sacks Shortened Career with Injury/Off Field but in his first two season Reuben Foster never created a single turnover. 0 INT, 0 FF, 0 FR as well as 0 Sacks and only 2 PD Luke Kuechly and Joe Schobert first 3 years starting More FF 1 Less FR 1 Less INT More Sacks More Hits Scobert to Lavonte David first 3yr starting Same INT More FF More FR 1 less sack Schobert to Bobby Wagner first 3yr starting More INT More PD More FF More FR 1 Less Sack More Hits Schobert to Deion Jones first 3 yrs starting More FF More FR 1 less INT More Sacks 2 less TFL More Hits Props to @trd for the info 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, buno67 said: OL needs fixed first and foremost. Why are we dealing with an either/or? Let’s improve the offensive line and keep our good players both. Allowing good players to hit the market just creates more holes. Joe is a bright spot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 What we SHOULD do: 1. Draft Tua in the middle of the 1st this year, redshirt him in 2020 2. Trade Baker on draft day and take whatever you can get for him 3. Load up the OL, DL, and acquire a guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick in free agency to start in 2020 Start over in 2021 What WILL HAPPEN: 1. Our organization will "stand by/stay committed to Baker" 2. Tua will get drafted by the Steelers, who trade back into Round 1 to take him, letting him sit behind Ben for a full season 3. The Steelers, armed with a Franchise QB and one of the best defenses in the NFL, to go with the most stable ownership and FO in the business, dominate the AFC for 15 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkPrice25 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Tua is probably going to the Chargers. Won't even be there when we pick, imo. I would be cool with signing Fitzpatrick to be our back up, especially if Monken calls the plays next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEARtheELF Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/16/jarvis-landry-browns-teammates-report-cardinals-come-get-me/ Apparently the list of guys wanting out is growing, one of those being Jarvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugpimpen Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, FEARtheELF said: https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/16/jarvis-landry-browns-teammates-report-cardinals-come-get-me/ Apparently the list of guys wanting out is growing, one of those being Jarvis. This is a Mike Silver report and is already refuted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEARtheELF Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, nugpimpen said: This is a Mike Silver report and is already refuted. Where so? That's good news but I havent seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugpimpen Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, FEARtheELF said: Where so? That's good news but I havent seen that. Ruiter was mentioning that it was done in a joking manner apparently. And hes a pretty negative guy, so if hes refuting it, I actually believe it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) I can't believe we're giving up Njoku at 23 years old knowing how insanely raw he was coming out of college, as well as how difficult the Tight End position is in terms of development. Analytics suggest that Tight End is the top or top 2 depending on how you look at it hardest developmental position to achieve significant quality impact. The accountability structure of this team has been completely off. If Dorsey likes you and you make mistakes, then Freddie likes you and you get a pass and don't get benched (Antonio Callaway; Chris Hubbard). If Dorsey doesn't like you as a player, then Freddie doesn't and will bench you for mistakes (Greg Robinson; David Njoku). People bring up how Njoku looked in practice and the drop/fumble/interception that wasn't and was actually a catch, but all season other players have been far worse. I know everyone likes to worship at the altar of Stephen Carlson because of a handful of plays, but I've watched every snap of his and RSJ and you can't tell me that Njoku is worse even if hobbled some. Njoku had surgery and battled back early to contribute to the team and Dorsey/Freddie had already moved on. Like Ogbah, we'll be lucky if we get even a 6th for him when we inevitably trade him for peanuts this off-season. I personally haven't studied this draft eligible TEs yet, but I asked someone I trust who has where Njoku would fall amongst the class right now. He said, at 23 years old compared to the TEs coming out in the draft this year, Njoku is arguably a top 3 prospect even considering his issues/mistakes. That bag of crushed up doritos dorsey is going to get in return is going to delight so many browns fans who have become addicted to trashing young players after 2 years if they aren't immediate superstars. To me, I saw enough development last year that would suggest that Njoku would likely always have low-points in his career and mistakes but his high points would grow more consistent and truly be a high quality contributor towards winning. What a shame. Dorsey has a habit of holding on to players he shouldn't too long while flushing one's he should give more chances too soon. Edited December 27, 2019 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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