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hrubes20 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 12 hours ago, CWood21 said: I have a hard time believing there's any truth to that. Right there, that takes 2 of their 5 projected SPs for 2020 and jettisoning to Colorado. Plus, they're giving up their projected starting LF (until we get some sort of resolution on Marcell Ozuna) plus a top 50 prospect? Given the sheer amount of money due ($234M over 7 years, which comes out to $33.4M/year) and the uncertainty regarding that opt out after the 2021 season, and I don't see the Cardinals doing that deal. The only way that deal makes any lick of sense for the Cards is if the Rockies are paying a big chunk of the salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguy1609 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 this goes along with the reports of the card, rangers taking to the Rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: The only way that deal makes any lick of sense for the Cards is if the Rockies are paying a big chunk of the salary. Agreed. Isn't Levine a Chicago-based reporter? I don't know how he would know anything about a STL-COL negotiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: Agreed. Isn't Levine a Chicago-based reporter? I don't know how he would know anything about a STL-COL negotiation. And I agree with your agreement. I honestly dont care other than I'd like any trade (should it happen) keeps him in the NL - so we dont have to mess with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Arizona can get Starling Marte for Corbin Carroll plus what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: The only way that deal makes any lick of sense for the Cards is if the Rockies are paying a big chunk of the salary. We've said this before with Stanton; the only way these types of superstar on a mega contract for prospects deals make sense is if one team goes bananas or the team trading the superstar adds a big chunk of money to it. I'll believe this deal is happening when the teams tweet it. Until then, yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: We've said this before with Stanton; the only way these types of superstar on a mega contract for prospects deals make sense is if one team goes bananas or the team trading the superstar adds a big chunk of money to it. I'll believe this deal is happening when the teams tweet it. Until then, yawn. Just out of curiosity, what kind of deal could/would make sense? I feel like Matt Carpenter has to go back to Colorado in some variation of a deal, unless they include Kolten Wong in the deal and move Marp to 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, CWood21 said: Just out of curiosity, what kind of deal could/would make sense? I feel like Matt Carpenter has to go back to Colorado in some variation of a deal, unless they include Kolten Wong in the deal and move Marp to 2B. None. I'm not being difficult either, I think I said exactly this in the Stanton propose a trade thread that was out there when this happened. Colorado isn't going to want to compromise in any way. Arenado is a super star and his contract is reasonable for how good he is, so at some level, I get where they're coming from if they respond "you want this stud AND you want me to pay you to take him!?". But at the same time, there's not that much surplus value on his deal, so I get the Cardinals saying they aren't going to pay an $80MM surplus value price tag when Arenado isn't worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: None. I'm not being difficult either, I think I said exactly this in the Stanton propose a trade thread that was out there when this happened. Fair. I wonder if the Rockies would have interest in Matt Carpenter? And Dakota Hudson has been linked to the Rockies as part of the trade. I can't imagine the Cardinals are interested in dealing any of their top 3 prospects (Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, and Matt Liberatore). Based on every comment from Mozeliak, they anticipate Dylan Carlson being an everyday player sometime this year. The Cardinals had Liberatore go to their "meet and greets", so it seems unlikely they'd flip him but ask him to show up to that. And I don't see how you flip Gorman but not Liberatore tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, CWood21 said: Fair. I wonder if the Rockies would have interest in Matt Carpenter? And Dakota Hudson has been linked to the Rockies as part of the trade. I can't imagine the Cardinals are interested in dealing any of their top 3 prospects (Dylan Carlson, Nolan Gorman, and Matt Liberatore). Based on every comment from Mozeliak, they anticipate Dylan Carlson being an everyday player sometime this year. The Cardinals had Liberatore go to their "meet and greets", so it seems unlikely they'd flip him but ask him to show up to that. And I don't see how you flip Gorman but not Liberatore tbh. If I'm the Rockies, there is no Matt Carpenter or Dexter Fowler coming back to offset salary. There's no "but what about this" or haggling or anything. I'm trading a superstar, you're getting 2 years out of him, so I want your 10 best prospects lined up, and I'll pick 3 of them, and then I'll take a wildcard or two. Otherwise, goodbye. There's a reason the only other time a guy with this type of deal got traded it was because the team was borderline bankrupt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: If I'm the Rockies, there is no Matt Carpenter or Dexter Fowler coming back to offset salary. There's no "but what about this" or haggling or anything. I'm trading a superstar, you're getting 2 years out of him, so I want your 10 best prospects lined up, and I'll pick 3 of them, and then I'll take a wildcard or two. Otherwise, goodbye. There's a reason the only other time a guy with this type of deal got traded it was because the team was borderline bankrupt. And that's why I'm skeptical the Cardinals and Rockies will find a deal that works. Rockies want full value for their superstar, and the Cardinals aren't paying a premium in terms of salary and prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Arenado should get top value. Hope the Rockies realize that and don't accept nothing less than the best deal possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Rockies want full value for their superstar, and the Cardinals aren't paying a premium in terms of salary and prospects. Exactly. Someone has to cave for this to happen. MLB front offices don't cave often, and when they do, they cave very small. I'll believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguy1609 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 what would a fair package be for Arenado if your the texas rangers? i keep hearing them and the Cards are the most interested(at least publically saying it) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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