WindyCity Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, yomyyo said: Who was responsible for the contender bit? Pace was. Who was responsible for torpedoing it? Edited November 15, 2019 by WindyCity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, topwop1 said: As long as the team continues to draft well (for the most part) and keep adding young talent then they should be able to let their QB develop and give him a fair shot. Mack will still be a dominant player well into his 30s. Guy is a freak and isn't going anywhere anytime soon (5 years left on his deal after this year). Hicks will also be here for the next 2 years at a minimum and at only 29 years old should still be a solid player for the next few years. Allen Robinson and Kyle Fuller are also younger guys with lots of good football still ahead of them. As much as people want to believe it is, these next 2 years are not SB year or bust for this team. Nagy was brought in specifically to develop Mitch. We have to let him do that to the full extent and not just give them 26 games together to determine that he's not the right guy. They invested too much in Mitch to give up this early. That said, yes, they should have a good back up plan at QB for next year. Just RELAX. Wasting any competitive year is a waste, because while you think that Mack and Hicks are going to be what they are now in 2 years we know in the NFL that Mack is one bad step from never being the same. Added to age are serious upcoming cap restraints, so it is not just age and injury that is going to close the window on this defense. Defensive windows last 4-5 years. Ask the Bears, Broncos, and Seahawks. We have already wasted 2 of those with a substandard offense and mediocre at best QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Pace tied himself to Mitch, so giving up on him is much more difficult. Which is why we should fire Pace. Then next GM will not be as invested and tied to Mitch and will make dispassionate decisions about him. Can you imagine if Pace picks up Mitch's 5th year option in some vain hope that he stops sucking? That could be twice as devastating for the franchise. Pace's investment and connection to Trubisky could be the most devastating part of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Wasting any competitive year is a waste, because while you think that Mack and Hicks are going to be what they are now in 2 years we know in the NFL that Mack is one bad step from never being the same. Added to age are serious upcoming cap restraints, so it is not just age and injury that is going to close the window on this defense. Defensive windows last 4-5 years. Ask the Bears, Broncos, and Seahawks. We have already wasted 2 of those with a substandard offense and mediocre at best QB. Yet the Seahawks are still a contender year in year out mainly because of their QB. What if Pace traded for Mack full well knowing that Mitch would be a long term project and that having a solid and more competitive defense would buy him more time to let his handpicked QB develop into a franchise caliber player? They went 12-4 last year and are 4-5 with 7 games remaining in 2019. Let's see how they finish before calling this year a complete failure. You guys all want a franchise QB but you don't want to go through the growing pains to get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 21 hours ago, WindyCity said: 100% Pace missing on Trubiksy, with the other options available, has set this franchise back years. He has destroyed whatever credibility he had in terms of the QB position. If the next phase of this is about trying again to get the QB spot right, I see no reason he is needed. Nagy has done almost nothing to advance this team in any winning ways, going forward. He changed the team's attitude (from JOHN FOX) in his first year, and that's completely (or nearly) destroyed now. Pace built this team. I can freely understand someone advocating to fire them both, whether I can get behind that, or not. But fire Pace and KEEP Nagy? What on earth has Nagy done to deserve that consideration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: Nagy has done almost nothing to advance this team in any winning ways, going forward. He changed the team's attitude (from JOHN FOX) in his first year, and that's completely (or nearly) destroyed now. Pace built this team. I can freely understand someone advocating to fire them both, whether I can get behind that, or not. But fire Pace and KEEP Nagy? What on earth has Nagy done to deserve that consideration? It doesn't make any sense. They are a package deal clearly. If anything Nagy has shown to be less than advertised given that the offense has been sub par and you could argue that he rode Pace's assembled and Fangio's coached defense to 12-4 and Coach of the year honors last year. Edited November 16, 2019 by topwop1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 hour ago, topwop1 said: It doesn't make any sense. They are a package deal clearly. If anything Nagy has shown to be less than advertised given that the offense has been sub par and you could argue that he rode Pace's assembled and Fangio's coached defense to 12-4 and Coach of the year honors last year. The offense is sub par because they have a bum playing QB. The offense was competent last year when Mitch was not in total meltdown mode. You keep Nagy because he is in year 2, not year 5, of his development and he has relevant and useful experience in QB evaluation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Bears fans had the same set of excuses for Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. If only we get them a good coach, a good offensive line, good receivers, a good running game, and a good defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 1 minute ago, abstract_thought said: Bears fans had the same set of excuses for Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. If only we get them a good coach, a good offensive line, good receivers, a good running game, and a good defense. It is Groundhog Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 16, 2019 Author Share Posted November 16, 2019 I am just glad I never got around to changing my profile pic. Who knew we would be back to Pace being an idiot so quickly. Time is a flat circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Former Bears writer (who now covers the Falcons I believe) says the Bears were present at Kaepernick's workout today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 17, 2019 Author Share Posted November 17, 2019 The picture is from the 1st one. They were NOT one of the teams listed at the 2nd one. No way Pace wants 60k fans at Soldier Field chanting for Kaep when his hand picked QB is crumbling on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 3:23 PM, WindyCity said: Pace tied himself to Mitch, so giving up on him is much more difficult. Which is why we should fire Pace. Then next GM will not be as invested and tied to Mitch and will make dispassionate decisions about him. What if Pace moves on from Trubisky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: What if Pace moves on from Trubisky? If the Bears move on from him in the spring, my assumption is the rumors would be true & the McCaskey's will have a lot of belief in him and are essentially giving him another 3 years. He would have walked into their office and admitted fault for the pick. At that point I'd offer a 4 or 5 for Dalton & let Nagy take his guy in round 2 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: At that point I'd offer a 4 or 5 for Dalton & let Nagy take his guy in round 2 or 4. The Bengals look so bad i haven't even watched but maybe 10 minutes of them this season, and that wasn't because I was interested in them. Lol. Is Dalton declining or is his recent fall more due to laughable talent around him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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