AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Why is this a thread? It's not even close between Wilson and Wentz lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: The only quality thing you said there was that Ertz is now done for the season. Just because the Eagles' Physio Staff has been terrible for the entire Pedersen era doesn't mean Wentz gets some magic credit because his Wide Receivers got injured. The best ball catcher of his tenure in Philadelphia still played 15 games this season and nearly went for 1,000 yards; more than likely would have had he played against the Giants. It's disingenuous and has been an attempted built in excuse for Wentz when he doesn't need one. What credit am I asking for? I am just speaking facts. Wentz got the job done with terrible WRs. Yes, we have two good TEs who played well, especially in the second half of the year(Goedert really struggled early). That said we had no threats on the outside and it severely limited how effective our offense could operate. Wentz overcame that and still had the best year any Eagles QB has had in franchise history(statistically). No one is giving Wentz an excuse(your right he doesn’t need one), he played great football this year. It is simply highlighting how poor his supporting cast was and how he still overcame that. Not sure how this is up for debate... what other team in the NFL started thee practice squad WRs last week? And just so we are clear, Wilson was clearly better than Wentz this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: What credit am I asking for? I am just speaking facts. Wentz got the job done with terrible WRs. Yes, we have two good TEs who played well, especially in the second half of the year(Goedert really struggled early). That said we had no threats on the outside and it severely limited how effective our offense could operate. Wentz overcame that and still had the best year any Eagles QB has had in franchise history(statistically). No one is giving Wentz an excuse(your right he doesn’t need one), he played great football this year. It is simply highlighting how poor his supporting cast was and how he still overcame that. Not sure how this is up for debate... what other team in the NFL started thee practice squad WRs last week? And just so we are clear, Wilson was clearly better than Wentz this season. This is what I'm talking about; You act like the Steelers weren't doing the exact same thing for half the season. Or that the Dolphins, Redskins, Cardinals, Patriots and Raiders had very similar situations in terms of pass catching talent even when factoring in injuries. Again, you don't get to support a poor supporting cast when he had a top 4 Tight End all season and the best #2 TE in the league. Not having someone to stretch the field isn't some major detriment; most QBs don't have that. In fact the only ones who have consistent field stretchers are Rivers, Mahomes, Winston, Tannehill*, Brissett, Ryan, Goff, **Watson, COusins, Mayfield, Carr***, Wilson* and Darnold. *Brown and Metcalf are likely to consistently be one **Fuller is oft injured ***Feel like I'm being generous classifying Williams this way That's 13/32 QBs who have a consistent field stretcher and 3 of them are very questionable due to consistency, health, etc and only four of them would be considered top 10 QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 because he’s better. More consistent week to week. Higher highs. Has put season upon season of production together to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is an elite QB in this league. Wentz looked really good early in the year and towards the end. If he can play like that closer to 16 games than to 8, for another season or two? Then we can have the convo. You can’t sleep on what Carson accomplished with such a hobbled cast in December, it was impressive even considering the Ds were bottom tier, but Wilson has worked magic with equally banged up casts and is simply an elite QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) .. Edited December 31, 2019 by Malik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Russell Wilson really hasn't been all that great the past 6-7 games or whenever the MVP talk started and he was the 'front runner'. Granted the team is littered with injuries, but still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Why is this a thread? Oh, you'll figure out why I made it soon enough... if you haven't already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Why is this a thread? It's not even close between Wilson and Wentz lol Because when the Eagles upset the Seahawks it's gonna cause a crazy war on Eagles Twitter. There are, unexplicably, some Eagles fans who still believed Wentz to be inferior to Foles (though I imagine with them making the post-season now this number has dwindled to near zero). Such a feat will only help ignore this war even further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotanKing Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Eagles despite injuries still had a fairly decent OLine...Seattle's OLine is somewhere near bottom5 when it comes to pass protection. Coupled that with the fact that Seattle's schedule was lot more harder. Wilson was truly incredible in first half of the season...he slowed down later on but still he had a much better season than Carson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 hours ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: I never said that. And if you go look at number of targets over the last four games he targeted WRs at a higher rate than before he lost all three of his top WRs. Who did you play those 4 games? What ranking did those teams have for the season? 12 hours ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: We also run two TEs more than just about any team in the league.... wonder why he throws to TEs so much.... Oh we also had the worst performing WRs in the league this season.... And no I don't just mean statistically. What about last year? Because Wentz was #1 in the league in passes 5 yards or less last year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 12/30/2019 at 7:43 AM, notthatbluestuff said: Have their seasons really been all THAT different? Wilson: 4110 yards, 31 TDs, 5 INT, 106.3 rating Wentz: 4039 yards, 27 TDs, 7 INT, 93.1 rating Wentz has had his team almost completely crippled by injuries; yet, the common perception seems to be that Wilson is a superstar who played at an MVP level this year, while Wentz was mediocre all season. Why is this? Wentz's number could should've been better and it sucks a lot of his team still got injured, but Wilson was still the better QB regardless of those injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Malik said: Yes. Wentz stat padded at the end of his season against his terrible division. Wilson has a superior better TD% and a better INT%. Also he still constantly fumbles. No you see, stat padding is what Dak Prescott does, making his numbers look better in garbage time when the game is already won/lost. Just because the most difficult part of our schedule was in the middle of the season and the easier opponents were at the end doesn't mean they don't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Frankly I'd say they both played better than their cumulative passer ratings indicate. Edited December 31, 2019 by Danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Volume stats like passing yards and such are almost never a complete (and completely good) picture of quarterback play. Let's take a look at some efficiency stats: Russell Wilson: 66.1% completion rate on 9.4 Intended Air Yards per Attempt, 6.0% TD rate, 1.0% INT rate, 7.42 ANY/A (116 ANY/A+) Carson Wentz: 63.9% completion rate on 7.9 Intended Air Yards per Attempt, 4.4% TD rate, 1.2% INT rate, 6.26 ANY/A (100 ANY/A+) With the exception of interception rate, which Wilson still bested Wentz at, these are pretty significant differences, most notably in Wilson's 1.16-yard advantage in ANY/A, a stat that regarded Wentz as dead-on average. Sure, the pair threw for close numbers of yards, touchdowns, and such, but that becomes suspect evidence at best for them having "similar seasons" when you notice that Wentz attempted 91 more passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Come on man, what the hell are we doing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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