NudeTayne Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 4:59 PM, Kiwibrown said: Nerd alert Excited to see what the D.E.N.N.I.S. system looks like this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 12/30/2019 at 12:50 PM, Mind Character said: John Dorsey deserves plenty of criticism regarding decisions he's responsible for. However, the disdain for Dorsey has led a lot of people to distort the record of the Sashi/DePodesta/Berry Era. There's so much revisionist history going on regarding the DePo, Sashi, and Andrew Berry Era it has my head spinning. They are all brilliant and shepherded us through a well-organized historic 2-year tank in order for us to accumulate draft capital Even taking into account that the goal was to tank and build through the draft, their overall personnel decisions an evaluations were not good at all. There's a place for Paul DePodesta in our organization as a lead strategist who has more power in a coaching search and advising draft strategy/personnel decisions, but giving him final say over football decisions or evaluation would be a mistake. ----- 2016 NFL Draft: 1 15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor 2 32 Emmanuel Ogbah DE Oklahoma State 3 65 Carl Nassib DE Penn State3 76 Shon Coleman T Auburn 3 93 Cody Kessler QB USC 4 99 Joe Schobert OLB Wisconsin4 114 Ricardo Louis WR Auburn 4 129 Derrick Kindred SAF Texas Christian 4 138 Seth DeValve WR Princeton 5 154 Jordan Payton WR UCLA 5 168 Spencer Drango G Baylor 5 172 Rashard Higgins WR Colorado State5 173 Trey Caldwell DB Louisiana-Monroe 7 250 Scooby Wright LB Arizona 2016 Coaching Search Evaluations: 1.) Sean McDermott reportedly evaluated as the number 1 candidate over Hue Jackson 2016 Free Agents: 1.) OL Alvin Bailey, 2.) LB Justin Tuggle, 3.) LB Demario Davis, 4.) S Rahim Moore, 5.) LB Tank Carder, 6.) QB Robert Griffin, 7.) Don Jones, 8.) Austin Paztor, 9.) Terrelle Pryor 2016 NFL QB Evaluations: 1.) Carson Wentz not a top-20 QB 2.) Jared Goff QB1 2017 NFL Draft: 1 Myles Garrett DE Texas A&M 1 25 Jabrill Peppers SAF Michigan 1 29 David Njoku TE Miami (Fla.) 2 52 DeShone Kizer QB Notre Dame 3 65 Larry Ogunjobi DT North Carolina-Charlotte4 126 Howard Wilson CB Houston 5 160 Roderick Johnson T Florida State6 185 Caleb Brantley DT Florida 7 224 Zane Gonzalez K Arizona State7 252 Matt Dayes RB North Carolina State 2017 NFL Free Agents: 1.) Kevin Zeitler, 2.) JC Tretter, 3.) WR Kenny Britt, 4.) Tyvis Powell, 5.) Marcus Martin, 6.) Jason McCourty, 7.) Matt McCants, 8.) James Wright, 9.) Brett Maher 2017 QB Evaluations: 1.) Mitchell Trubisky ranked ahead of Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes 2.) Trading from 12th to 25th + Receiving a future 1st round pick was desired instead of taking Deshaun Watson at 12. 2016+2017 Trades of Note: 1.) Got a 2nd round pick for taking on Brock Osweiler's contract 2.) Acquired Jamie Collins for a 3rd round pick 2018 Coaching Search Evaluations: 1.) Kevin Stefanski reportedly evaluated as the number 1 candidate over Freddie Kitchens We honestly should've kept Ogbah and Nassib. One of them would've been worthwhile to have moving forward. Before getting injured Ogbah was balling and Nassib did so as well. Those were two bad moves. Replacing Nassib with Anthony Zettel and the Ogbah for Eric Murray trades were really bad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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candyman93 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 3:14 PM, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Only if the country matters. For example, on a globe I can identify the following countries: 1. The U.S. of ducking A. End of list. U-S-A MOTHA FHAWKAS!!!1!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, brooks1957 said: Soon the, "does anyone ever remember Berry's nervous tick of head nodding when he was here before" posts shall arise. Soon he'll be nicknamed the "nerd nodder" and that nerd nodder shall soon lead us to nerd victory. Edited February 5, 2020 by Mind Character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaWg_LB. Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 51 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Soon the, "does anyone ever remember Berry's nervous tick of head nodding when he was here before" posts shall arise. Soon he'll be nicknamed the "nerd nodder" and that nerd nodder shall soon lead us to nerd victory. And then he shall be known as the Brilliant Bobblehead....LOL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks1957 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 40 minutes ago, DaWg_LB. said: And then he shall be known as the Brilliant Bobblehead....LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) We have a way now. 1.) Andrew Berry laid out his philosophy on placing a premium on players that effect the passing game (on both sides of the ball). 2.) Smart, tough, and accountable on and off the field football players is the stated cultural ethos and player acquisition philosophy of Berry and Stefanski. Taking both those things into account, I think it suggests that the Browns may be valuing certain players over others in the draft. Edited February 6, 2020 by Mind Character 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Mind Character said: We have a way now. 1.) Andrew Berry laid out his philosophy on placing a premium on players that effect the passing game (on both sides of the ball). 2.) Smart, tough, and accountable football players is the stated cultural ethos and player acquisition philosophy of Berry and Stefanski. Taking both those things into account, I think it suggests that the Browns may be valuing certain players over others in the draft. 1. Will be interesting to see how it relates to our vet linebackers, kirko is aversge vs the pass and solid vs rhe run, while schobert is an excellent coverage linebacker, and sometimes left wanting vs the run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieCamp Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: 1. Will be interesting to see how it relates to our vet linebackers, kirko is aversge vs the pass and solid vs rhe run, while schobert is an excellent coverage linebacker, and sometimes left wanting vs the run. That's a good point. This regime may hold Schobert in high regard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: 1. Will be interesting to see how it relates to our vet linebackers, kirko is aversge vs the pass and solid vs rhe run, while schobert is an excellent coverage linebacker, and sometimes left wanting vs the run. 1 hour ago, ReggieCamp said: That's a good point. This regime may hold Schobert in high regard. Plus I think Schobert exemplifies Smart, Tough, and Accountable on and off the field. I think it bodes well for Joe Schobert staying in Cleveland. I also wonder how realistic it is for him to get paid top LB money elsewhere around the league; that is, his agent can represent that they'll shop around, but he doesn't have the athletic profile or quick twitch or outward locker room leadership characteristics that get free-agent LB paid big bucks (CJ Mosley, etc). I have no doubt that he'd get paid well, but the price tag may be able to be worked to favor the Browns thereby making him even more likely to stay. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mind Character said: Plus I think Schobert exemplifies Smart, Tough, and Accountable on and off the field. I think it bodes well for Joe Schobert staying in Cleveland. I also wonder how realistic it is for him to get paid top LB money elsewhere around the league; that is, his agent can represent that they'll shop around, but he doesn't have the athletic profile or quick twitch or outward locker room leadership characteristics that get free-agent LB paid big bucks (CJ Mosley, etc). I have no doubt that he'd get paid well, but the price tag may be able to be worked to favor the Browns thereby making him even more likely to stay. The problem is, once Joe can test the waters, he won't be back. So you have a bit of a Catch-22 there, unfortunately. He has all the leverage here unless we tag him, which I believe we should if we can't get a reasonable--top-10 LB 💰, not top-5. Quick twitch is something that matters but can't exactly be something we say to him as a leverage tactic unless we are trying to insult him. Edited February 6, 2020 by NudeTayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, NudeTayne said: The problem is, once Joe can test the waters, he won't be back. So you have a bit of a Catch-22 there, unfortunately. He has all the leverage here unless we tag him, which I believe we should if we can't get a reasonable--top-10 LB 💰, not top-5. Quick twitch is something that matters but can't exactly be something we say to him as a leverage tactic unless we are trying to insult him. If hebgoes and so does randall we should get a couple of comp picks maybe a 3rd and a 5th, which means they eventually get replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: If hebgoes and so does randall we should get a couple of comp picks maybe a 3rd and a 5th, which means they eventually get replaced Only get comp picks if the browns don’t sign anyone worth while. I sure as hell hope they address some issues on FA, so that will play a role in the comp picks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchdigger Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Next year is the comp pick year. This year is the aggressive pursuit of free agents year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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