big_palooka Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: I definitely think at least Bradley Chubb also fits the blue chip moniker. Based on my personal evaluations, I’d also include Hurst, Vea, Ward, and Guice. Others would probably include Nelson, Fitzpatrick, and James. If we are using the term blue chip to mean "reliable investment" then yes I would agree. But I certainly wouldn't call them elite (which is word that gets used to loosely). Examples.... Clowney was an elite type player coming out. Chubb, is not at that level. Barkely is on an AP type level. Guice is not IMO, though I love his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, big_palooka said: If we are using the term blue chip to mean "reliable investment" then yes I would agree. But I certainly wouldn't call them elite (which is word that gets used to loosely). Examples.... Clowney was an elite type player coming out. Chubb, is not at that level. Barkely is on an AP type level. Guice is not IMO, though I love his game. I believe all the players I listed have All Pro ceilings and very safe floors. That’s how I term “elite” prospect. I’d include Chubb in the same class as Clowney, Mack, Garrett, Bosa, Buckner, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: I believe all the players I listed have All Pro ceilings and very safe floors. That’s how I term “elite” prospect. I’d include Chubb in the same class as Clowney, Mack, Garrett, Bosa, Buckner, etc. I love Chubb, but Chubb isn't as good as Miles Garret taken last year and certainly not on the same level as a Clowney. He's got work to do with his pass rush moves to get there. Top defensive player in the class., but not "elite" in my eye. But ceiling to be a premier defender. Elite I guess just means something different to everyone. That's why I hate the word. Elite to me is a once in a generation talent. A guy you can look at and say this guy is going to dominate the game for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 8 hours ago, big_palooka said: Reggie's drafts have been Meh recently. His 2-4th round selections have been particularly poor. So I don't have much confidence in adding talent that can effect the team early on. Blue chip "elite" talents, hmmmm outside Barkley I can't answer that. This class is largely seen as pretty lackluster at the top and seen as one of the worst classes in recent memory in scouting circles. Fans will convince themselves there is "elite" talent but every guy outside Barkely seems to have some question marks. IMO "elite" refers to an all-pro talent, which I just don't see a lot of. I view prospects like Barkley Mack Clowney as all world... there is a few blue chip prospects every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Rich7sena said: I definitely think at least Bradley Chubb also fits the blue chip moniker. Based on my personal evaluations, I’d also include Hurst, Vea, Ward, and Guice. Others would probably include Nelson, Fitzpatrick, and James. you don't like any of the wideouts or any of these guys who are considered blue chip WR Courtland Sutton WR Calvin Ridley WR Christian Kirk LB Roquan smith Edge Arden Key DT Da'ron Payne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: you don't like any of the wideouts or any of these guys who are considered blue chip WR Courtland Sutton WR Calvin Ridley WR Christian Kirk LB Roquan smith Edge Arden Key DT Da'ron Payne I wouldn’t consider any of those players blue chip. That said, I wouldn’t mind Sutton in the range the Raiders are picking. He’s not a slam dunk prospect, but he’s a good fit for Carr. Of all of those I like Key the least. He’s all projection. There’s very little to like on-field from what I see. The rest are good, but not great or elite prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 4 hours ago, big_palooka said: Elite I guess just means something different to everyone. That's why I hate the word. Elite to me is a once in a generation talent. A guy you can look at and say this guy is going to dominate the game for a decade. Except they never end up being “once in a generation”. Clowney wasn’t even the best pass rusher in his class. An elite prospect to me means a high floor/high ceiling player. I fully expect the guys I listed to compete for top 5-10 in their position group year in, year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 59 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: I view prospects like Barkley Mack Clowney as all world... there is a few blue chip prospects every year Or 40 according your list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Or 40 according your list my list was guys who interest me... I havent broke down the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 7 hours ago, Rich7sena said: I believe all the players I listed have All Pro ceilings and very safe floors. That’s how I term “elite” prospect. I’d include Chubb in the same class as Clowney, Mack, Garrett, Bosa, Buckner, etc. I'm with you on this. I don't think they have to be pro bowlers coming out of the draft. I think blue chip refers to a group that will have a chance to be one of the best at their position in terms of their skillset/athletic tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I'm with you on this. I don't think they have to be pro bowlers coming out of the draft. I think blue chip refers to a group that will have a chance to be one of the best at their position in terms of their skillset/athletic tools. I agree with this except for the "have a chance" part. To be blue chip means you ARE among the best of the position. Not having to build to it and/or prove it, that is potential. But that is semantics. Just was part of a discussion I was having with a friend recently that made me think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Is Chub better than Leonard floydd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightTrainLane Posted December 28, 2017 Author Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, roi34 said: Is Chin better than Leonard floydd? huh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, NightTrainLane said: huh... Chub. damn autocorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 46 minutes ago, roi34 said: Is Chub better than Leonard floydd? Way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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