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... wait, it's August ... I'm supposed to being doing something ... what was it again? ...
oh no ...
nononononono ...


... fine ...



  1. Every week, you must choose a winner in just ONE game.
  2. You may select a team only once during the entire competition.  In other words, if you choose the Giants in week one, you may not choose the Giants again for the rest of the competition.
  3. You must make a valid selection every week.
    1. A valid selection is defined as:
      1. Selecting a team whom you have not picked in a prior week and
      2. The post is recorded no less than 5 minutes before the official start time of the game in question.
    2. Failure to make a valid selection every week at no less than five minutes before the start of the last scheduled game (i.e. last Monday Night Football game of the week) will lead to your elimination.
  4. If the team you choose wins, you continue on. If they lose, you are eliminated. If your team ties, I will point and laugh at you; you'll be eliminated as well. Your team must win to continue.


**I wanna play!! Can I?**

Sure! The Survivor Pool is open to any fool one who wishes to join. Yes, even you, @ET80.

NOTE: I will not accept posts on behalf of another. Each contestant must walk through these gates of hell willingly enter on their own behalf.


**Okay, how do I enter?!**

Simple! You fill out the following form:

Favorite Team: <your favorite team here>
Week 1 pick: <your pick here>

I have read all of the rules and agree to them. The most important rule is "<the most important rule>."

NOTE THE LAST LINE! I WILL NOT ACCEPT ENTRIES WITHOUT IT! I'm flexible about the rest of the language in your entry, but not that last sentence. If it is not there verbatim, YOU ARE NOT IN THE COMPETITION!

If you don't have a favorite team, one will be assigned to you of my choosing. Why do I ask/assign this? Because I group players together based on their team. Please don't assume I can figure out your favorite team from your name, avatar, or signature. Just state it clearly.

Also, while it is a comedic classic, don't rip off Animal House and pull the "state your name" bit. You're not original.


**Is there a deadline for entering?**

There is. It will be 10:05 PM ET on September 14th, 2020. That's five minutes before the kickoff of the second MNF game in week one.


**Do I need to fill out that form above every week?**

Nope! Just week one. After week one, all you need to do is fill out this even simpler form:

Week <week number> pick: <your pick here>

If you want to include your favorite team, that's fine. It's just no longer required nor is the "I've read the rules" sentence.


**Is there a deadline for a given week's pick?**

There is. It will be five minutes before the scheduled start time of that week's Monday Night Football game. That means even if MNF is delayed, the deadline for this competition is not.


**What determines the "time" that my pick is compared against?**

The time your post hits this thread. You are solely responsible for getting your pick in on time. If the forums are having problems or you are having Internet trouble, that's your problem. You will have  a week to make a single selection.

What the forum software says, goes.


**Hey, I forgot to post in the thread. Here's my PM of my pick for the week.**

No, I will not accept picks that are PMed, or sent on behalf of another. Every competitor must post their pick in this thread publicly. There will only be this thread, so no, I will not be creating week 2 or a week 3 version of this thread. You can bookmark this thread and post knowing that it will be recorded.

**When can I make my pick?**

This one is important (but not the most important) so read it slowly.

If you have not posted a selection for a given week: Any time in a given week prior to the start of a game. As mentioned above, as long as your selection is in before 5 minutes before the official start time for the game, you're fine.

If you have posted a selection for a given week: Not until after the start of the last game of week. In those weeks where there are more than one MNF game, the last one matters. If you post a following week's pick before the official start of the last Monday Night Football game, YOUR PICK WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED. This is because especially early in the competition some people may forget to enter a pick. It's easier to have those who are already through to wait until MNF before allowing their pick.

At my discretion as emcee of this competition, I can waive the "no selections before MNF" rule stated above for a given week. That waiver is only good for the particular week where it is given. This is so when there are only a few competitors remaining, we can move the game forward without having to wait for MNF.

In the "Mod Host" notes below, I will give a point by point example of what is and is not acceptable from a time perspective.


**I made a selection but I changed my mind. What do I do?**

First and foremost, pay attention to the most important rule!
Then, make a new post saying you want to change your pick and what you want to change to. Quoting your previous entry is really appreciated.

HOWEVER, the new pick must be legal (the game cannot have passed the "5 minutes before the start" window and you cannot have picked that team previously). If the new pick is not valid, it will be treated as if you have no legal pick. In other words, changing your pick strikes out the previous one, even if the new pick is not legal.


**I'm not going to be around in a week or two. What do I do?**

If you want, you can make future picks in this current week. I have had some competitors try to put the full 17 guesses down before the season begins (they haven't won, but I applaud their effort).

Make it clear that you are picking for future weeks and then say who you are taking in which week. It can be as simple as "I'm picking the following for weeks 3-5: NYG, PHI, IND"

Yes, you can make changes to future picks subject to the rule about changing your mind and how that might affect future weeks. Taking the above as an example, if you say "I'm going to change my week 4 pick to IND," that's fine, but now realize that your week 5 pick is invalid (as you have now picked the Colts in week 4). Maintaining the legality of all of your picks is your responsibility.

This is the only exception to the "don't post before MNF starts" rule.

Again, while it is not required, it is really appreciated if you quote any changes.


**So I need to keep track of all of my teams?**

I will keep a running tally of the teams every competitor has taken below. That list is the official list. Some people keep track of their own lists and post them with their pick that week. That's fine, but my list is the only one that matters. If there is a dispute between your list and mine, mine wins.


**Do I need to worry about preseason games? What about the postseason?**

Nope. This is a regular season only competition.


**So how do you determine the winner?**

The game will end when one of three conditions occurs:

  1. There is only one person remaining who has selected all winning teams.
  2. All of the remaining competitors lose on the same week.
  3. All of the remaining competitors make it to the end of the regular season.


**What happens if everyone loses on the same week/makes to the end of the regular season?**

Then we go to the tiebreakers.

The primary tiebreaker will be the lowest cumulative winning percentage of all teams each contestant selected. For example:

Contestant A: Selects teams 1 (2-1), 3 (3-0), and 4 (2-1).
Contestant B: Selects teams 1 (2-1), 2 (1-2), and 4 (2-1).

Contestant A has a cumulative winning percentage of 0.778 (7-2)
Contestant B has a cumulative winning percentage of 0.556 (5-4).

Contestant B wins.

If you select all 10, 11 and 12 win teams, you will almost certainly lose the tiebreaker. So, picking an occasional upset might be to your advantage. Of course, you need to survive first. Choose wisely.

Do note that the tiebreaker record for you entry is a summation of how each of your selections has done up through the season to when I calculate the tiebreaker. In other words, picking a team early versus late has no bearing on your tiebreaking record, only that you selected the team at some point.

The secondary tiebreaker (credit to @TXsteeler😞


Since your first tie-breaker is intended to reward those players who take more risk and pick less obvious teams by giving the victory to the player whose combined picked teams have the lowest total win %, why not make the second tie-breaker award the victory to the player whose combined picked teams have the lowest cumulative margin of victory.

For example,

Player 1 picks team A (5-0) 100-74, team B (2-3) 98-88, and team C (1-4) 70-98.

Player 2 picks team A (5-0),100-74, team B (2-3) 98-88, and team D (1-4) 62-120.

In this scenario they tie for total win % for the first tie breaker, with both of their picks' total win %'s equaling  8-5, however player 1 has a total margin of victory of 260-268 whereas player 2 has a total margin of victory of 260-282, therefore player 2 wins the second tiebreaker.

In the event that there is still a tie, the third and final tiebreaker will be a double-elimination style rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock tourney. I will PM the parties involved to make their selections. The winner will be the first person not to have two losses. In the case of more than two final competitors, the competitors in the head-to-head games will not know who they are competing against.

In short, let's hope it doesn't come to that.



If you find an error in the master list, please point it out. You can do it in the main thread or by PM. This will be the only situation where I will accept game related traffic via PM.

In the event that a game is postponed or rescheduled:

  1. For the purposes of the "WHEN" rule above, the "start time" of the game will be earliest time of the original kickoff versus the new kickoff time. To clarify:
    1. If the game is moved later than what it is currently scheduled now, the lock time will be five minutes before the original start time for your selection.
    2. If the game is moved earlier than what it is currently scheduled now, the lock time will be five minutes before the new start time for your selection.
  2. If a game is postponed, you will not be able to select a team in that game after the original official start time. In other words, if the game was supposed to start at 1 PM ET, and you had previously chosen a team starting at 4:15 PM ET, you will not be allowed to change your selection to one of the two teams in the postponed game after 12:55 PM ET even if the game is not occurring until the following day.
  3. If a game starts but is then suspended, it will be treated as if the game's start was postponed (#2).
  4. If the game is moved to another week and you do not change your selection in the original week, you will be allowed to continue. However, you will be treated as having already selected that team and that team must win on the week the game is moved to. In other words, there will be a week where you will need two wins.
  5. In the arguably laughable quite-possible-in-2020 situation that a game is cancelled altogether (i.e. it is never rescheduled), you are eliminated. Sorry, you need to win to advance, and the game has to be played in order for that team to win.

When the game is on-going, I will do my best to keep the master list up-to-date. However, there will be times I will be behind. Please do not panic if you don't see your newest selection in the master list. I will catch up and if you've posted a valid selection , it will count even if I haven't updated the master list by the time the game starts. Please don't post asking why your selection isn't on the list. I have a full time job, a pair of young kids, and am a moderator on another forum. I'll get to it.

Like Roger Goodell, I am the judge, I am the jury, I am the appeals court and I am the executioner. My word is law. I make no promises to be fairer than Goodell, either.

My justice might be slow. I have found evidence of people committing a violation in Week 3 but only discovering the violation in Week 10. They will be marked as having gone out in Week 3.


I will be also a competitor in this. With the exception of the emcee-based posts here on the first page, I will be bound to all of the rules above. So if I violate the most important rule on any page other than the first page, I will be disqualified. I will make clear where the line is drawn between my emcee posts and my competitor posts below.

There's also the chance that my spawn will play. Since they do not have accounts here at FF, they will not be official, but Spawn #1 will object most strenuously if they are successful. Spawn #2 probably won't care one way or the other.


2019 - @SmittyBacall (sole survivor after Week 13)
2018 - @Lurker (beat out DreamKid on the first tiebreaker, both having lost in week 11)
2017 -- @THE DUKE (sole survivor after Week 14)
2016 -- @jp_chilli (beat out Cicero on the first tiebreaker, both having lost in week 16)
2015 -- @Kenrik (sole survivor after Week 9)
2014 -- Wes (beat out defending champion xXxHOUSEDxXx on the first tiebreaker, having both completed the season)
2013 -- @xXxHOUSEDxXx (beat out Dr. Philly, Gmen4ev, and stafford=legend on the first tiebreaker, all having lost in Week 12)
2012 -- @kgthekid (beat out 1BackInBlackFan on the first tiebreaker, having both completed the season)
2011 -- @nickcollinsfan (sole survivor after Week 15)
2010 -- @JaguarCrazy2832 (beat out muscles on the first tiebreaker, having both lost in Week 16)
2009 -- @DBoiFresh24 (beat out DaBoys and Vexing Viking on the first tiebreaker, having all completed the season)
2008 -- Dow Jones (sole survivor after Week 10)
2007 -- @giants! (beat out #1CARDSFAN and eaglesfan536890 on the first tiebreaker, having all lost in Week 10)
2006 -- @Texas_OutLaw7 (sole survivor after Week 7)

Breakdown of champions by team
Green Bay - 4
Cincinnati - 2
Dallas - 2
Baltimore - 1
Chicago - 1
Jacksonville - 1
Kansas City - 1

Miami - 1
NY Giants - 1

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"Watch your edits." (there's your key to the game)

I'm going to continue to make a big mistake a change to the editing rules from the past. Since it seemed to work last year, I'm going to allow edits in this game with two caveats.

  1. The edit cannot occur in a post with a pick. I don't care why you edited. If there is a pick in the post and you edit it, you are disqualified and will be eliminated.
  2. If a post does not have a pick, you have a five minute grace period to make that spelling/grammar/clarity change that always seems to trip people up. However, beyond those five minutes (or if you're distracted/slow typist/whatever), an edit will result in your elimination.

I still expect to regret this severely am treating this as a trial run. If it doesn't go horrifically wrong like it will almost assuredly will, it will become part of the main game next year.

THAT ALL SAID, I would strongly recommend that you follow the old "you edit, you dead" philosophy so you don't screw this up for everyone else accidentally eliminate yourself.

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ChazStandard [New England] - BUF, SFO, IND, BAL, ARI, MIA, GRB, TAM, PIT, LVR, LAC, NYG, MIN, DAL, CLE, CHI, NWE
jonnguy2015 [San Francisco] - BUF, SFO, IND, LAR, DAL, MIA, KAN, TAM, PIT, GRB, LAC, CLE, LVR, SEA, BAL, CHI, TEN


Common teams to ignore: Baltimore, Buffalo, Chicago, Cleveland (didn't think you would see that at the beginning of the year, huh?), Dallas, Green Bay, Indianapolis, LA Chargers, Las Vegas, Miami, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, and Tampa Bay

ChazStandard's unique teams: Arizona (8-8), Minnesota (7-9), New England (7-9), NY Giants (6-10) -> unique record = 28-36 (0.438)
jonnguy2015's unique teams: Kansas City (14-2), LA Rams (10-6), Seattle (12-4), Tennessee (11-5) -> unique record = 47-17 (0.734)

So ... yeah ... it wasn't close in terms of the tiebreaker.

Overall tiebreaker

ChazStandard New England 0.570 155 117 0 0.00
jonnguy2015 San Francisco 0.640 174 98 0 19.00



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Leoric [San Diego State Aztecs] - LAC, KAN, IND, LAR, BAL, MIA, BUF, TAM, PIT, GRB, NOR, CLE, LVR, SEA, DAL, ARI

Here'sJim [Cleveland] - BAL, SFO, CLE, SEA, DAL, MIA, BUF, KAN, NWE, LVR, PIT, NYG, GRB, TEN, LAR
Joe_is_the_best [Denver] - BAL, SFO, IND, DEN, ARI, MIA, BUF, KAN, PIT, GRB, LAC, CLE, LVR, TEN, LAR

Art_Vandalay [Philadelphia] - KAN, ARI, TAM, BAL, DAL, IND, BUF, PHI, NWE, GRB, LAC, NYG, MIN, SEA, SFO

catcheryea [Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets] - KAN, SFO, CLE, LAR, BAL, IND, BUF, TAM, NWE, GRB, PIT, SEA, MIA, NOR

Aussie9er [San Francisco Richmond Tigers Spiders] - LAC, SFO, IND, BAL, ARI, MIA, BUF, KAN, GRB, NOR, PIT, HOU, CHI

scottishpatriot [New England] - BUF, PIT, TAM, LAR, DAL, MIA, LAC, KAN, NWE, MIN, CLE, NYG, ATL

AZ_Eaglesfan [Philadelphia] - SEA, SFO, IND, LAR, BAL, TEN, BUF, KAN, GRB, NOR, TAM

Reginaldm9 [Cleveland] - BAL, PIT, IND, LAR, DAL, MIA, BUF, KAN, HOU, GRB, MIN
Superduperman [Detroit] - NWE, TEN, IND, LAR, HOU, NYG, LAC, KAN, PIT, CLE, MIN
Acgott [New York Giants] - TEN, ARI, IND, LAR, HOU, NYG, BUF, PHI, PIT, LVR, MIN
TheRealMcCoy [Philadelphia] - KAN, SFO, CLE, LAR, DAL, MIA, BUF, TAM, PIT, GRB, MIN
Livewire [Pittsburgh] - BUF, ARI, IND, LAR, BAL, MIA, LAC, PHI, HOU, GRB, MIN
e16bball [Washington] - BUF, GRB, IND, LAR, DAL, MIA, LAC, TAM, NWE, NOR, MIN

BareYourTeeth [Baltimore] - BUF, KAN, TAM, GRB, BAL, TEN, LAC, PHI, NWE, PIT, MIA
Jakuvious [Kansas City] - BAL, SFO, IND, SEA, HOU, ARI, BUF, KAN, PIT, GRB, MIA

jp_chilli [Green Bay] - BAL, KAN, IND, LAR, DAL, MIA, LAC, TAM, PIT, GRB, NWE
Bolts223 [Los Angeles Chargers] - KAN, SFO, IND, BAL, LAR, TEN, BUF, TAM, PIT, GRB, NWE

Kenrik [Green Bay] - GRB, TEN, IND, BAL, PIT, MIA, LAC, KAN, ARI

hornbybrown [Cleveland] - KAN, BAL, CLE, LAR, DAL, IND, BUF, GRB

Edge [Kansas City] - KAN, GRB, TAM, SEA, ARI, BAL, BUF, TEN
kingseanjohn [Kansas City] - LVR, GRB, IND, LAR, PIT, MIA, TAM, TEN
Nbanflguy [Minnesota] - KAN, GRB, TAM, BAL, SEA, MIA, BUF, TEN
Daboyle [Washington] - KAN, SFO, TAM, BAL, ARI, MIA, BUF, TEN

Blazer06 [Las Vegas] - LVR, DAL, TEN, TAM, ARI, IND, BUF, CAR

malibuspeedrace [Cleveland] - PIT, GRB, IND, LAR, ARI, MIA, SEA
.Buzz [Jacksonville] - BAL, SFO, IND, LAR, HOU, MIA, SEA

The Orca [Florida Gators] - BAL, KAN, TAM, LAR, PIT, MIA, NWE

KiD_Wisdom [Las Vegas] - BAL, SFO, IND, LAR, SEA, KAN, ATL

ChosenOne [Miami] - BUF, SFO, IND, LAR, ARI, WAS

TedLavie [Kansas City] - BUF, CLE, IND, LAR, CAR, JAC (previously picked BAL)

UncleAdamz [Arizona] - BUF, SFO, IND, LAR, BAL, NWE
Texansfan713 [Houston] - BUF, ARI, IND, LAR, DAL, NWE
notthatbluestuff [Indianapolis] - PIT, KAN, IND, CIN, ARI, NWE
Wyld Stallyns [Indianapolis] - TEN, ARI, TAM, LAR, NOR, NWE
El Ramster [Los Angeles Rams] - PIT, BUF, IND, LAR, ARI, NWE
dhunt2402 [New England] - PIT, ARI, GRB, BAL, HOU, NWE
RandyMossIsBoss [Philadelphia] - KAN, PIT, TAM, LAR, BAL, NWE
indifference [Tampa Bay] - BAL, SFO, TAM, LAR, ARI, NWE
aceinthehouse [Washington] - WAS, TAM, SFO, SEA, PIT, NWE (previously picked LAC (who wasn't playing this week))
Slappy Mc [Washington] - PIT, BUF, CLE, BAL, DAL, NWE (previously picked MIA, MIN)

swoosh [Atlanta] - BAL, KAN, IND, SEA, SFO
MuFF [Green Bay] - KAN, BAL, IND, LAR, SFO

Nightmare [Las Vegas] - BAL, SFO, IND, LAR, KAN
HitStickAllDay [Minnesota] - BUF, ARI, IND, LAR, KAN
Pickle Rick [Tampa Bay] - BAL, GRB, IND, LAR, KAN

NeptunePenguins [Houston] - PIT, BUF, GRB, LAR, ATL

cp0k2 [Detroit] - KAN, GRB, IND, LAR, TAM

Texas_OutLaw7 [Dallas] - SEA, SFO, TAM, BAL, <no pick recorded>
Twizlers [Denver] - BAL, KAN, IND, LAR, <no pick recorded>

Malfatron [Green Bay] - KAN, BAL, CLE, SFO (previous picked GRB, LAR, SFO, GRB)
Asciimo [Tampa Bay/New England the Tom Bradys] - BUF, SEA, GRB, SFO

Ray Reed [Baltimore] - PIT, TAM, NWE, DAL
daineraider [Las Vegas] - LVR, BUF, IND, DAL
Hunter2_1 [New England] - BUF, SEA, IND, DAL

Longhorns90 [Campbell Fighting Camels] - PIT, SFO, TAM, HOU (previously picked NOR)
Shanedorf [Green Bay] - GRB, IND, TEN, HOU
KC_Guy [Kansas City] - BUF, TAM, IND, HOU

Lurker [Kansas City] - BUF, CHI, IND, NYJ
KingOfNewYork [New York Jets] - KAN, GRB, TAM, NYJ
jjbnum3 [San Francisco] - NWE, CLE, IND, NYJ

Zalixar [Arizona] - BUF, SFO, ARI
James [Carolina] - PIT, SFO, ARI
Bowler1215 [Chicago] - CHI, TEN, ARI
CWood21 [Green Bay] - BUF, CLE, ARI
Packer_ESP [Green Bay] - BAL, CHI, ARI
wiscsports1234 [Green Bay] - BUF, GRB, ARI
ET80 [Houston] - NOR, GRB, ARI
JaguarCrazy2832 [Jacksonville] - BAL, KAN, ARI
nolaexpat [New Orleans] - NWE, PIT, ARI
Melbourne 9er [San Francisco] - BUF, SEA, ARI
titanrick [Tennessee] - KAN, TAM, ARI
skinsfan83 [Washington] - BUF, CLE, ARI

PurpleLion [Baltimore] - NWE, GRB, LAC
INbengalfan [Cincinnati] - BUF, GRB, LAC
KingOfTheNorth [Green Bay] - BUF, SFO, LAC
mse326 [Houston] - PIT, BUF, LAC
HolmesPriest [Kansas City] - JAC, PIT, LAC
GordyTheGoffer [Las Vegas] - LVR, TAM, LAC
Jaymun [New England] - NWE, TAM, LAC
Spartica4Real [New Orleans] - BUF, SFO, LAC
Johnthejetsfan [New York Jets] - PIT, BUF, LAC
Woz [Washington] - NWE, PIT, LAC

Dingo18287 [Carolina] - PIT, GRB, PHI TIED
Rainmaker90 [Green Bay] - BUF, TEN, PHI TIED
bluecheese999 [New York Jets] - KAN, PIT, PHI TIED
Shady Slim [Pittsburgh] - NWE, CLE, PHI TIED
Forge [San Francisco] - BUF, TEN, PHI TIED

atmer [New England] - BUF, TAM, ATL
offbyone [Washington] - BAL, LAR, ATL

Almm24 [Washington] - KAN, CLE, JAC

theJ [Cincinnati] - BUF, GRB, <no pick recorded>

Fidgit [Seattle] - BAL, NOR

11sanchez11 [Arizona] - LVR, NYG

THE DUKE [Cincinnati] - KAN, CIN
bigjohnson2009 [Cleveland] - BAL, CIN
DawgX [Cleveland] - BAL, CIN

sp6488 [Baltimore] - BUF, <no pick recorded>
goldfishwars [New England] - KAN, <no pick recorded>

Falconof Shadows [Atlanta] - DAL
Troy Brown [New England] - DAL

ReggieCamp [Cleveland] - SFO
Adrenaline_Flux [Jacksonville] - SFO
ConnPatFan [New England] - SFO
Manny/Patrick [San Francisco] - SFO

Johnny Nix [Cincinnati] - CIN (third time is the charm)
Yin-Yang [New England] - CIN

August4th [Pittsburgh] - DET

Trentwannabe [Buffalo] - PHI
Master of Suspense [Chicago] - PHI
Blackstar12 [Indianapolis] - PHI
MrOaktown_56 [Las Vegas] - PHI
Jeezy Fanatic [Miami Hurricanes] - PHI
Nabbs4u [Philadelphia] - PHI
ninjapirate [Philadelphia] - PHI
rackcs [Pittsburgh] - PHI
MikeT14 [Washington] - PHI

RavensTillIDie [Baltimore] - CAR

berlin calling [Baltimore] - IND
drd23 [Baltimore] - IND
RavensDefense [Baltimore] - IND
iknowcool [Carolina] - IND
blkwdw13 [Chicago] - IND
RJ_11 [Chicago] - IND
fluhartz [Cincinnati] - IND
SmittyBacall [Cincinnati] - IND
D82 [Dallas] - IND
MisterB1ll [Dallas] - IND
roysmyboy31 [Dallas] - IND
Broncofan [Denver] - IND
deltarich87 [Green Bay] - IND
kgthekid [Green Bay (maybe sorta?)] - IND
Nick_gb [Green Bay] - IND
Tugboat [Jacksonville] - IND
Habbsawce [Kansas City] - IND
101Raider [Las Vegas] - IND
Dodo [Las Vegas] - IND
kyle21121[Los Angeles Chargers] - IND
DerbyRam [Los Angeles Rams] - IND
CriminalMind [Minnesota] - IND
SteelKing728 [Minnesota] - IND
Fray32 [New Orleans] - IND
EL Guapo [New York Giants] - IND
s0wra [New York Jets] - IND
SkippyX [Philadelphia] - IND
J-ALL-DAY [San Francisco] - IND
N4L [San Francisco] - IND (previously picked BUF) [angry man is angry]
mfw096 [Tampa Bay] - IND
AirMcNair [Tennessee] - IND [yet another 3rd time is the charm entrant, but understands position relative to host]
HTTRDynasty [Washington] - IND
Thaiphoon [Washington] - IND (previously picked KAN)

Outpost31 [Green Bay] - CLE

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Am I going to be released this week???
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This is where I say that I hope this post stays unedited. I have given up all hope with you all. It's just a matter of how many.

Surprise, surprise, it didn't stay unedited.

For editing this post containing a pick prior to the start of the season, DoleINGout is disqualified from the competition.


Never In the Competition for Failure to Follow the Rules (3)

Mega Ron [Cleveland] - BUF
ThatJerkDave [Green Bay] - WAS (foolishly taunted the host)
TopleyBird [New York Giants] - PIT

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Rule updates will go here, as will notes that are mostly for me in the future. My wife and kids enter unofficially, I'll track them here.

Something to clarify for next year.

On 9/13/2020 at 1:14 PM, Woz said:


For those who I have said they are missing the "phrase that pays"

    • Your pick will be honored IF you add the correct phrase by the end of today (Sunday, the 13th at 11:59 ET).
    • You will not be able to change your pick.
    • If you do not add the correct phrase by the end of the day
      • AND the team you chose (but will not be given credit for) won, you may enter using one of the four MNF teams.
      • If the team you chose did not win, you will not be able to enter (as you would have been eliminated)
    • You are not entered.
    • Any pick for any game before 1PM ET today will not be honored.
    • However, you are able to pick from the 4PM ET, SNF, and MNF teams.



A rule that I never thought I would need to add, but thanks COVID:

Just now, Woz said:
On 10/9/2020 at 1:14 AM, Malfatron said:

so a forfeit counts as a win, right @Woz?

(not that it matters for me anymore)

I'm going to rule it as such:

  1. If a player has selected one of the two teams that is involved in a forfeited game BEFORE the forfeit was announced, then it will be treated as a win or loss as per usual.
    1. This means if you selected the team that forfeited, you lose and are eliminated.
    2. Likewise, if you selected the team that was forfeited to, you win and continue.
  2. Timing of forfeits:
    1. If the forfeit is announced on the day the game is to be played (with the exceptions of Thursday Night Football and Monday Night Football), then the game is locked four hours before the expected start time to the hour (truncating the minutes and seconds). In other words:
      1. For the Sunday early games, the lock time for a forfeited game is now 9 AM ET.
      2. For the Sunday afternoon games, the lock time for a forfeited game is now 12 PM ET (*not* 12:15 or 12:25 PM ET)
      3. For Sunday Night Football, the lock time for a forfeited game is now 4 PM ET (*not* 4:25 PM ET)
    2. For forfeits announced on Thursday affecting Thursday Night Football affecting the game to be played that day or on Monday affecting the Monday Night Football game to be played that day, the lock times for forfeited games will be 12 PM ET. The reasoning for this is that given that there is nothing happening but that particular game and there will be more attention/investigation of those teams. Plan accordingly.
    3. For forfeits that are announced ahead of the day the game is scheduled to be played, the game will be considered locked one hour prior to the announcement of forfeit to the hour (truncating the minutes and seconds).
      1. If it is announced at 12:00 PM ET, the lock time is 11 AM ET.
      2. If it is announced at 12:01 PM ET, the lock time is 11 AM ET.
      3. If it is announced at 12:59 PM ET, the lock time is 11 AM ET.
      4. If it is announced at 1:00 PM ET, the lock time is 12 PM ET.
    4. For the purposes of forfeits announced ahead of the day the game is scheduled, I will use the timestamp of the first substantial reference in the NFL News forum. Reasoning:
      1. This is fair for everyone and does not require me to arbitrate between when X and Y news sources posted differing times.
      2. There's enough people who race to be the first to post news in NFL News (especially as big as something like a forfeit) that it will likely be some of the first news.
      3. A substantial reference is
        1. An official announcement from the NFL or one of the teams involved.
        2. A linked article to an accredited news source.
        3. A tweet from a national blue checkmark account (think Adam Schefter or Ian Rapaport),
        4. A tweet from a regional blue checkmark account where the account regularly covers one of the teams involved (e.g. a team's beat reporter).
      4. I reserve the right to judge whether a source that isn't covered in section 4.3 counts or no


Unofficial House of Woz game

Wife of Woz [Washington] - DAL
Spawn #1 [Kansas City] - PHI (going to be so pissed)
Spawn #2 [Miami] - SFO

I WIN! (at least in my house)


This is the last post I edit as a host. Everything beyond this point, I am a competitor and subject to the editing rules.

Edited by Woz
Adding ruling for handling of forfeits on October 11
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30 minutes ago, Woz said:

And our first person who didn't read the rules!

I've played this game for several years and am very familiar with the rules, so no, I didn't read the rules. But fiiiiine, if you insist...

Favorite team: Saints

Week 1 pick: Bills

I have read all of the rules and agree to them. The most important rule is "Watch your edits"

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YES! It's back. Honestly...this thread is always a reminder that football is ALMOST here & after the S* Show 2020 has been, this thread is live a salve, @Woz! So thank you for that. In any event, the original (and greatest?) champion returns.

Favorite Team: Dallas Football Team ...err...I mean the Dallas Cowboys.

Week 1 Pick: Seattle

I have read all of the rules and agree to them. The most important rule is "Watch your edits"

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1 hour ago, Spartica4Real said:

I've played this game for several years

I've run this game for several years! :D

1 hour ago, Spartica4Real said:

and am very familiar with the rules

And so you obviously realized that with minor updates these are verbatim rules from last year ... which you played in and followed the last time.

1 hour ago, Spartica4Real said:

so no, I didn't read the rules

Well, that was obvious.

1 hour ago, Spartica4Real said:

But fiiiiine, if you insist...


1 hour ago, Spartica4Real said:

Favorite team: Saints

Week 1 pick: Bills

I have read all of the rules and agree to them. The most important rule is "Watch your edits"

There you go!

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