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CWood21

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3 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

And Lamelo was a wild card as well.  As are most prospects.  Taking either of the guys from the G League is a wild card this year.  Drafting Euro players is a wild card.  The draft in general is a wild card and Wiseman was a top prospect and fit a huge need.  It made sense.  There was not a draft rankings or analyst that had Wiseman outside of the top 3.  It made sense and if you had concerns about Ball, the only other top 3 prospect available on everyone's board, then Wiseman was the correct choice.  It may not work out but there was enough there and enough scouts that agreed that his talent level was worthy of the pick, regardless of not having tape on him.  

That sounds like a cop out.  Even if you consider the leagues he played in prior to the NBA to be nothing more then glorified high school leagues, he was playing fairly consistently during what would be his senior year.  Wiseman played 69 minutes over 3 games.  There was significantly more tape of Ball then there was of Wiseman.

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3 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

And Lamelo was a wild card as well.  As are most prospects.  Taking either of the guys from the G League is a wild card this year.  Drafting Euro players is a wild card.  The draft in general is a wild card and Wiseman was a top prospect and fit a huge need.  It made sense.  There was not a draft rankings or analyst that had Wiseman outside of the top 3.  It made sense and if you had concerns about Ball, the only other top 3 prospect available on everyone's board, then Wiseman was the correct choice.  It may not work out but there was enough there and enough scouts that agreed that his talent level was worthy of the pick, regardless of not having tape on him.  

I think it's universally understood that there is quite a large talent gap between G-League and high level CBB. Feel like the risk is slightly less with those guys given we've seen them play against the best talent possible. 

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3 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

And Lamelo was a wild card as well.  As are most prospects.  Taking either of the guys from the G League is a wild card this year.  Drafting Euro players is a wild card.  The draft in general is a wild card and Wiseman was a top prospect and fit a huge need.  It made sense.  There was not a draft rankings or analyst that had Wiseman outside of the top 3.  It made sense and if you had concerns about Ball, the only other top 3 prospect available on everyone's board, then Wiseman was the correct choice.  It may not work out but there was enough there and enough scouts that agreed that his talent level was worthy of the pick, regardless of not having tape on him.  

Except he wasn't. They had a bunch of tape on him.

 

The biggest question was size and shooting. Two things that could be changed with time. And the shooting aspect appeared to be a non factor entirely after about 41 games in the NBA before an injury on his shooting wrist. 

 

Wiseman had far more drastic concerns. 

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10 minutes ago, Supersuavesky said:

Except he wasn't. They had a bunch of tape on him.

 

The biggest question was size and shooting. Two things that could be changed with time. And the shooting aspect appeared to be a non factor entirely after about 41 games in the NBA before an injury on his shooting wrist. 

 

Wiseman had far more drastic concerns. 

I get you are a Ball fan but he was a huge wildcard.  His shot was broken and he had horrible shot selection.  He had almost as many turnovers as he did assists and he played no defense while knowing his career was on the line.  Yes they had a lot tape but that tape showed a lot of questions and poor decision making and being a bad teammate.  Fortunately for the Hornets he has seemed to improve dramatically at this level but to pretend any scout expected that would be foolish when he had done nothing to make you think he would.  

Wiseman's concern was he hadn't played in a while and might need to add some strength and what his shot would look like long term.  All things he could prove in an interview or workout that he had been working on.  

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34 minutes ago, BStanRamFan said:

I think it's universally understood that there is quite a large talent gap between G-League and high level CBB. Feel like the risk is slightly less with those guys given we've seen them play against the best talent possible. 

I agree G League is significantly better than college, most are guys who have experience in the league.  Its why Kuminga is such a wild card this year.  He was so young playing against men and he struggled but he has the skill set and will still go higher than some who produced better in college simply because of his athletic ability and the glimpses he showed. 

It's also why I am so high on Green.  He went into a pool of fringe NBA players and was one of the best even with all of the crazy circumstances.  He showed out more than Cade did against college kids.  Not to say Cade isn't great, but it gives me some concern, especially with a talent like Green sitting there. 

It's also a bigger risk this year because of the bubble atmosphere, the first year of the G League method, and a very limited schedule and access to coaching prior to.  Overseas is likely better competition than college too but that doesn't always mean it translates well.  Its a risk, just like every pick in the NBA draft.  Good film in college doesn't translate to NBA success and bad tape doesn't always mean you will fail as shown by Lamelo. 

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https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/19743-2020-nba-draft-thread/page/31/

There is last years thread of everyone calling Ball MCW and talking how trash of a prospect he is.  Also a lot of support for Wiseman at 2/3 and ifhe played he would have been #1. A lot of hindsight opinions in here that dont match the feelings before the draft last year. 

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28 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/19743-2020-nba-draft-thread/page/31/

There is last years thread of everyone calling Ball MCW and talking how trash of a prospect he is.  Also a lot of support for Wiseman at 2/3 and ifhe played he would have been #1. A lot of hindsight opinions in here that dont match the feelings before the draft last year. 

funny how that works huh? lol

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5 hours ago, Texansfan713 said:

lol k

The last PG to lead their team to an undefeated record in college was Fred Van Vleet, and he was a senior facing worse completion. And not a 40% shooter from 3 either. And his measurables obviously limit his potential in the NBA but that’s not an issue with the 6’4 Suggs.

IDK how Suggs isn’t the consensus #2 actually.

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18 minutes ago, Kirill said:

The last PG to lead their team to an undefeated record in college was Fred Van Vleet, and he was a senior facing worse completion. And not a 40% shooter from 3 either. And his measurables obviously limit his potential in the NBA but that’s not an issue with the 6’4 Suggs.

IDK how Suggs isn’t the consensus #2 actually.

because 3 players ahead of him has more upside than him.  

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2 hours ago, Kirill said:

The last PG to lead their team to an undefeated record in college was Fred Van Vleet, and he was a senior facing worse completion. And not a 40% shooter from 3 either. And his measurables obviously limit his potential in the NBA but that’s not an issue with the 6’4 Suggs.

IDK how Suggs isn’t the consensus #2 actually.

Suggs had a lot of help to go undefeated.  He wasn't the leader of that team and its easier to shine when your the third option.  He is great, but not the transcendent talent that Green/Cade/Mobley are.   I think he will be a top tier PG, but other than Chris Paul as the missing link, wings tend to lead teams to NBA finals more than PGs.  

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5 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I get you are a Ball fan but he was a huge wildcard.  His shot was broken and he had horrible shot selection.  He had almost as many turnovers as he did assists and he played no defense while knowing his career was on the line.  Yes they had a lot tape but that tape showed a lot of questions and poor decision making and being a bad teammate.  Fortunately for the Hornets he has seemed to improve dramatically at this level but to pretend any scout expected that would be foolish when he had done nothing to make you think he would.  

Wiseman's concern was he hadn't played in a while and might need to add some strength and what his shot would look like long term.  All things he could prove in an interview or workout that he had been working on.  

His shot wasn't broken. He has ****tastic shot selection but it went in relatively often from where he shot it.

If you actually watched him in the NBL you could see the rapid improvement. He came in to a professional league as a teenage and struggled as they often do but improved as the season went along. The same improvement Edwards made as well. It's almost like kids sometimes need to adjust or something.

 

Wiseman had far bigger concerns. Everyone thought it was a mistake by GS to take him over Ball and they were right. GS drafted for need as opposed to BPA and it hurt them.

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