NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: yup, agreed. and when you give up 29.9 points per game it is extremly unlikely to win 11 games, even if you have the best QB. True give or take a pick 6 or fumble That average becomes a lil better tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, NCOUGHMAN said: True give or take a pick 6 or fumble That average becomes a lil better tho true, but take away a top team in scoring % / drive, and that # gets a little worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 19 hours ago, SilverNBlackFan said: You're not seeing the bigger picture. I'm not saying the defense doesn't need to improve, it absolutely does. It has been awful forever, and I don't place blame on Carr for that. I'm saying that with Carr as your QB, there will always be something new that we need to fix in order to win with him. He is a good, not great QB who doesn't play his best football late in the year. And by your own admission, he hasn't shown the ability to elevate a franchise. We pay Carr and bring in high priced defensive guys like Leonard Williams, and Melvin Ingram but what does that mean for our high priced oline, which Carr absolutely needs in tact to succeed? What does that mean for our WRs? We lose Nelson Algholor who Carr has a decent rapport with? Then we will be complaining Carr doesn't have the help on offense again. A leak will always spring open. The formula for sustained winning with a non elite QB is an elusive one. Jared Goff, Jimmy G, and Alex Smith are a few examples of teams who have done it recently. But they all are coached by transcendent offensive minds in Andy Reid, McVay and Kyle Shanahan. Gruden can't hold any of their jock straps. Look around the league at the playoff teams. Most either have young ascending QBs still on their rookie deals, a transcendent QB capable of overcoming roster deficiencies, or legendary QBs on under the market deals trying to win on their last legs. Where does Carr fit in with that group? he played well with the starting OL only playing 3 snaps together, and Agholor is not a make or break player on this team, we also just drafted two WRs with top 90 picks. Carr's played better than guys like Mayfield, Brees, Goff and even Jackson, guys who have A1 talent around them, Itd be hard to see him not succeeding in TB with all those weapons too. Oh yea, and all those guys have top 10 defense, minus the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: true, but take away a top team in scoring % / drive, and that # gets a little worse. Just not the opening drive lol and the redzone right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Ride our offense who is ranked 23rd in the NFL in scoring TDs in the redzone? I guess that's all on Gruden not Carr in peoples world. Even with a better defense we don't score enough TDs in the RZ nah, the offense that finished 10th in scoring(the 9 teams in front of us all made the playoffs) despite not getting the benefit of extra possessions or short fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 18 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Bruh they don’t understand it’s always and excuse first No oline, next year wrs, next year defense one day we will have a perfect team. One day they won’t have and excuse. mariota for as garbage as some make him seem on his first drive in 1yr plus scored a td. Same team. No excuses. Carr hasn’t done that in 5-6 games in a row. and then what did he do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Just not the opening drive lol and the redzone right well redzone still leads to points, which leads to a kickoff. so the other team should be starting on their 25, after a touchback. That is Carr setting the D up well. Because the other team now needs to go 75 yards for a touchdown. also, the opening drive still counts in our scoring drive % since we always struggle on the first drive, that is one drive a game that is not a score. to be top 5 in scoring drive %, with always a 0 on the first drive, means that we have incredible consistency in scoring points per drive the rest of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Geezy said: nah, the offense that finished 10th in scoring(the 9 teams in front of us all made the playoffs) despite not getting the benefit of extra possessions or short fields. The difference between 23rd and 14th (that's KC) in RZ% is 4 TDs over the whole season. That's a 16 points differential between 4 TDs and 4 FGs over 16 games. 1 pt/G. But let's make it all about that one stat. Btw, i used KC as reference because they have the same amount of RZ attempts (59). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 12 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I'm looking at team trajectory. The offense has steadily improved in 3 years with Gruden. Carr has steadily improved with Gruden. The defense has not. Carr could be on the verge of another career year, better than this year. The offense was 7th in scoring every time you touched the ball. Upgrading Carr would be great, considering he's already good. But upgrading the defense is the easiest way to get this team into postseason with a shot to win it all. We can already beat the big boys. We did it this year. We just need more talent and coaching on defense (and maybe the OL to get healthy to spring Jacobs). s 11 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Will a top 10 defense guarantee carr throw 34 tds in a yr? That’s what we need. Explain why 6 games in a row (minus the mm game) offense couldn’t do better than a 3 n out and what bad field position it put the defense in if we had a top defense he wouldnt need to throw 34 Tds. 7 of the top 10 scoring defenses made the playoffs, were 30th. Goff, Ghost of Ben, Alex Smith, Old Man Brees, Brady and Rivers all made the playoffs, id say Carr had a better season thatn all but Brady and Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, BackinBlack said: well redzone still leads to points, which leads to a kickoff. so the other team should be starting on their 25, after a touchback. That is Carr setting the D up well. Because the other team now needs to go 75 yards for a touchdown. also, the opening drive still counts in our scoring drive % since we always struggle on the first drive, that is one drive a game that is not a score. to be top 5 in scoring drive %, with always a 0 on the first drive, means that we have incredible consistency in scoring points per drive the rest of the game. Take the atl game carr/offense accounted for 13-16 points for atl take those points away and def is 26th not 30th. 10 pts for New England etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Ah, the offseason! Welcome back to the misery loves company thread. Well, see you guys around March! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakdb36 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Take the atl game carr/offense accounted for 13-16 points for atl take those points away and def is 26th not 30th. 10 pts for New England etc etc You'd have to do the same for every other team to know. No one has time for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Geezy said: s if we had a top defense he wouldnt need to throw 34 Tds. 7 of the top 10 scoring defenses made the playoffs, were 30th. Goff, Ghost of Ben, Alex Smith, Old Man Brees, Brady and Rivers all made the playoffs, id say Carr had a better season thatn all but Brady and Ben That’s cool if we’re in the nfc but afc west different animal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, NCOUGHMAN said: We’re in the afc west with kc and up and coming Chargers we’re held to different standards than the nfl. Honestly what’s your ranking of qbs in the afc west. Imo 1) pat 2) herbert 3) carr 4) lock not a knock on carr but our division is no joke No not until Herbert can do it long term. Just look at the Rams and Philadelphia everybody love there quarterbacks 2 years ago, guess what they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Difference between #10 def (points allowed) which was kc and #30 def us was a td per game. thats 112points over the course of a season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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