JAF-N72EX Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/olin-kreutz-why-texans-are-cautionary-tale-bears-fans Quote The talk on NBC Sports Chicago’s Football Aftershow inevitably turned to Trubisky-Watson comparisons where Olin Kreutz urged Bears fans to pump the brakes on the years-old QB comparison hysteria. “The Texans are kind a cautionary tale for Chicago,” Kreutz said. “What’s the two main things that everybody says, ‘If the Bears just had a quarterback and a left tackle,’ {the Texans} got it. Two of the best of the league. They traded two ones and a two for Laremy Tunsil. They drafted Tytus Howard, their right tackle, in the first round. They made Nick Markin their center. Zach Fulton, second rounder, at left guard. They’ve got lineman. And they’ve got their quarterback. Watch who you leave in charge. Watch who you let bring in ‘football people’ to surround these guys. It takes a lot of guys to win football games in the NFL.” The Texans fell to 4-9 in a lost season. They’ve given up nearly 28 points per game. “What the Bears can learn from it to me is this: People like to hide behind, ‘Man if we just had our quarterback, we’d be alright.’ The Texans have their quarterback. Guys still got fired. Detroit Lions have had their quarterback for years. Guys are still getting fired. Your building has to be filled with really good people.” I agree with Kreutz 100% and this is basically what I've been saying all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/olin-kreutz-why-texans-are-cautionary-tale-bears-fans I agree with Kreutz 100% and this is basically what I've been saying all along. What's his point though...that the Bears have very good football people in their building? We still only have 1 playoff appearance in the last 6 years compared to the Texans who have 4 in the same span. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 You can't ignore the defense but you can't ignore incompetence at the QB position. I love Kreutz, but all the talent he has been around and great defenses allowed him 4 postseason games in 14 years. Watson has made it twice in his young career and can rebound. With Watson the Texans are a better coaching opportunity than Chicago right now. Plus we are lacking at QB, both OT spots, WR depth and starter material if/when ARob leaves, etc. He is just arguing about a different side of the same fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, topwop1 said: What's his point though...that the Bears have very good football people in their building? We still only have 1 playoff appearance in the last 6 years compared to the Texans who have 4 in the same span. That it's hard to win in this league and that it takes more than just a good QB, good OL, and a good offense....everyone needs to be on the same page and it starts with the atmosphere provided to the players. And all of this starts with the brass. Not just GM or HC...but everyone above and below them. This start with the McCaskey's. The Texans have played in a weak division and are 1-2 in the playoffs and the only reason they have one win is due to playing the Bills. Let's not forget that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Sugashane said: You can't ignore the defense but you can't ignore incompetence at the QB position. I love Kreutz, but all the talent he has been around and great defenses allowed him 4 postseason games in 14 years. Watson has made it twice in his young career and can rebound. With Watson the Texans are a better coaching opportunity than Chicago right now. Plus we are lacking at QB, both OT spots, WR depth and starter material if/when ARob leaves, etc. He is just arguing about a different side of the same fire. I agree with most of this except the last part. He's not necessarily arguing the other side but rather pointing out to what can happen if you ignore other aspects of the game is all and is using Watson/Texans as an example. Edited December 14, 2020 by JAF-N72EX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: That it's hard to win in this league and that it takes more than just a good QB, good OL, and a good offense....everyone needs to be on the same page and it starts with the atmosphere provided to the players. And all of this starts with the brass. Not just GM or HC...but everyone above and below them. This start with the McCaskey's. The Texans have played in a weak division and are 1-2 in the playoffs and the only reason they have one win is due to playing the Bills. Let's not forget that either. I know it's hard to win but that shouldn't be used as a cop out for this team every year. For this organization to have only 1 Superbowl win in their history as the charter franchise of the NFL is pathetic and is in large part to having had no QBs worth a damn. Now blame who you want for that but until they get that right they likely won't stand a realistic chance Edited December 14, 2020 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, topwop1 said: What's his point though...that the Bears have very good football people in their building? We still only have 1 playoff appearance in the last 6 years compared to the Texans who have 4 in the same span. Think you took it in a different way. I took it as, even if we had our guys to take us to the next level, we aren’t getting there unless we have the premier coach to do it. And Nagy isn’t that guy. Love olin kreutz. Nice hearing his name again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBears019 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ty21 said: Think you took it in a different way. I took it as, even if we had our guys to take us to the next level, we aren’t getting there unless we have the premier coach to do it. And Nagy isn’t that guy. Love olin kreutz. Nice hearing his name again He’s on 670 the score every week to talk bears. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, topwop1 said: I know it's hard to win but that shouldn't be used as a cop out for this team every year. For this organization to have only 1 Superbowl win in their history as the charter franchise of the NFL is pathetic and is in large part to having had no QBs worth a damn. Now blame who you want for that but until they get that right they likely won't stand a realistic chance I don't think anyone is using that as a cop out (at least I'm not). Only pointing out that it takes much more than just offensive talent to win. It is pathetic, I agree. It's pathetic that this organization has spent decades trying to find even a average QB. We have had several coaches. We have tried to put pieces in place around the QB. We had a good OL/RB with Grossman and neckbeard, good OL/WR's/TEs/RBs with Cutler.......yet nothing change. We still don't have a title to show for it. So what is the ONLY remaining variable left to the equation here? The Brass. McCaskeys/ Philips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 8 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: I don't think anyone is using that as a cop out (at least I'm not). Only pointing out that it takes much more than just offensive talent to win. It is pathetic, I agree. It's pathetic that this organization has spent decades trying to find even a average QB. We have had several coaches. We have tried to put pieces in place around the QB. We had a good OL/RB with Grossman and neckbeard, good OL/WR's/TEs/RBs with Cutler.......yet nothing change. We still don't have a title to show for it. So what is the ONLY remaining variable left to the equation here? The Brass. McCaskeys/ Philips. True but we cannot do anything about the McCaskeys. They will be here for a long time so we should not expect that to change. What absolutely can change however is them hiring someone capable to lead all football operations who's not named Ted Phillips. Hopefully they do that this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Olin isn't wrong.... 2 guys simply don't put the other 20 on their backs and win it all. That said, it's also quite fair to say that QB in particular is -BY FAR- the most important single player out of the starting 22...... and that poor OL play (particularly coming off the QB's blind side) can be devastating to an offense. Leno is a pretty significant liability the majority of the time he's on the field. There's a reason that QB and LT in particular are among the highest paid people. Going further than that, you simply just aren't a superbowl level team without elite talent at the QB position (barring a few freakish occurances like Eli and Flacco). The point is to win rings, not just games, and that requires a QB, and a hell of a lot better OL production than we've had this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 22 players on a team and you need another 6 or so good ones on each side for depth. Plus you need 5 or so specialists. A lot of people think a good QB means good team. Not true by any means. Even if you had MJ on a team of 5 playing offense and defense he will lose without good players on his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I think there are good QBs that could have been that never even made NFL because of situation and football being so team oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 The Texans were being run by an absolute psychopath who ran them into the ground. The Texans also have 6 playoff appearances in the last decade and 4 playoff wins. The Texans are not a cautionary tale, they are a better franchise than the Bears and that is sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Yeah, I'd hate it if the Bears had a good QB and good LT 🙄 On a serious note, that franchise is f***ed. They have no draft capital and no cap space. Their owners are racist and their FO is a mess. They're a franchise with a very bleak immediate future. I'd rather be just about any other organization right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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