Mr Bad Example Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 5 hours ago, smetana34 said: So we're carrying 7 receivers, or what's the plan? Who's getting cut? Maybe they think MLF is going to start running the A11 offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, smetana34 said: So we're carrying 7 receivers, or what's the plan? Who's getting cut? Well to be fair Watkins deal doesn’t guarantee him a spot on this roster… so really only Cobb, Rodgers and Lazard are guaranteed at this point really. Now I think most feel Watkins isn’t going to lose out to a day 2 or 3 rookie, but again he isn’t guaranteed a spot. And I can see a realistic scenario where he gets hurt during training camp and cant make it purely on not being available. Edited April 22, 2022 by Green19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Keep hearing Jordan Davis might be falling. I'm kinda interested but not really sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 21 minutes ago, NFLGURU said: Keep hearing Jordan Davis might be falling. I'm kinda interested but not really sold. It’s because of his weight issues and some feel he is only a 2 down player and people are worried that he has to always be on a pitch count in the league. Looking at the Alabama game they were able to trap him on the field to tire him out and make him greatly ineffective. So I can see where some teams are absolutely worried, but it also screams a team further down the draft board getting these reports out there more and more to get him to fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLGURU Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Green19 said: It’s because of his weight issues and some feel he is only a 2 down player and people are worried that he has to always be on a pitch count in the league. Looking at the Alabama game they were able to trap him on the field to tire him out and make him greatly ineffective. So I can see where some teams are absolutely worried, but it also screams a team further down the draft board getting these reports out there more and more to get him to fall. Yeah, they had a heavy DL rotation at Georgia to reduce his snaps. The kid did win the Outland Trophy and the Chuck Bednarik Award last season. Worried about stamina and him ballooning up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lofton Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Green19 said: It’s hard not to just go Karlaftis then Cine. I get the WR issue… but I selfishly just want the best defense in the league. I don’t mind winning 10-3 every game. I'm good with this as well, but I could be persuaded otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Ugh… do not like that (more so with Rodgers as our QB). Might have to drop Burks down to a second rounder for GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 10 hours ago, thrILL! said: Ppl calling Karlaftis the Greek Freak when there’s only one! I feel like this post should be @beekay414... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Just now, CWood21 said: I feel like this post should be @beekay414... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) Every year I look for some draft prospect database listing all the players measurables. There's always bound to be some geeky spotted nerd out there who will produce such a database for everyone to view. These people, whoever they are, are awesome. The reason I do this is to filter the data using the known thresholds the Packers like to have in certain positions. This will give me a list of players that I need to be aware of and focus on my draft research. That's it. I don't have time to watch tape of every single damn prospect and this way is how I like to do it. Every year it gets harder and harder to find a viable database. A lot of them now put the results up on their websites but they very rarely give you the option to filter the results. When they do put it on a spreadsheet such as Google Sheets or Microsoft Excel they sometimes butcher it completely by putting all the measurables in one single cell! FFS how am I supposed to filter that? Google Sheets is a fantastic tool and allows other people to view the spreadsheet. In past drafts i've relied on them heavily. I finally found one such database for this year that was exactly what I needed but only problem....i could not filter it. The user used a setting that made the spreadsheet viewing only. Why you do this? So freaking annoying. I've spent an hour creating my new google sheet and copy/pasting all the data over. Now finally I got what I needed complete with filters. I'm going to start with OL. Everyone knows more or less what the athletic thresholds are for Packers OL due to TT drafting patterns. I believe we have continued this under Gute but with some slight modifications to fit LaFleur's ZBS. There's more emphasis on height and the 3-cone has become less important which I find surprising considering the ZBS requires movement based OL. Under McCarthy Bakhtiari actually had the worst 3-cone of all the starting OL from that era who were drafted with a time of 7.77s. Under LaFleur with a small sample size he has brought in OL with much slower times such as Turner (7.92), Newman (7.91), Wagner (7.94), Nijman (8.07). However we did draft Jenkins, Runyan and Van Lanen who had times under the 7.77s threshold. There were no measurements for Myers, Stepaniak, Hanson for various reasons. So basically we drafted 3 OL who fell under the 7.7s time vs 1 OL who did not. Hard to tell if the old 3-cone threshold still applies but for certain it has become more relaxed. The OL thresholds i'm using are: Height: > 6'4" Weight: > 300lbs but < 330lbs Forty: < 5.30s Bench: > 23 3Cone: < 7.95s (in the past I used 7.85s but adjusted a little this time) Shuttle: < 4.85s Broad: Did not use this metric as Packers OL data is all over the place but rule of the thumb is anything over 8ft 5" (101 inches) is considered good. Bulaga jumped 8ft 2" and was drafted in the first round. Every single one of those guys on the list below jumped more than 8'5" and ran the cones under 7.85s anyway. Ikem Ekwonu Trevor Penning Bernhard Raimann Tyler Smith Abraham Lucas Kellen Diesch Spencer Burford Braxton Jones Ryan Van Demark Devin Cochran Nick Zakelj Cole Strange Blaise Andries Hayden Howerton Chris Paul Zach Tom Dawson Deaton Luke Goedeke and Rasheed Walker did not register any data which probably explains why we brought them in for our top 30 visits. It's possible the Packers believe those guys would fit the Packers thresholds. We have plenty of data on Lucas and Zakeji but we brought them in anyway which perhaps suggests there's strong interest from us. Potentially 19 guys for us to target. There are many more players but for the sake of this exercise I have only targeted those with a 6.00 grade or higher. I would probably throw in Evan Neal in there too but lets face it... he isn't falling to us. Players who just fell just outside those metrics include Zion Johnson, Dylan Parham, Tyler Linderbaum, Alec Lindstrom, Cameron Jurgens who would've made the list if they weren't under 6'4". Charles Cross would be on there if he didn't put up just 20 reps on the bench, Sean Rhyan too. Nicholas Petit-Frere vert fell just shy of the 25" threshold. Those guys should not be ignored as we have shown we're looking to look past some warts. I'm going to start watching tape of those guys where available. Tell me what is your initial reaction to this list? is it a good pool of OL prospects for us? Edited April 23, 2022 by Chili 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Less than a week remaining before the draft, and the national sites are getting close to posting their "final" mock drafts. I don't think I can remember a year with the projected picks being so all over the place when going from mock to mock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Green19 said: Ugh… do not like that (more so with Rodgers as our QB). Might have to drop Burks down to a second rounder for GB. Keep in mind that this close to the draft, news like this has to be talen with a grain of salt. Teams that want to draft Burks may want him to drop a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 What did JuMosq say about Burks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Green19 said: Ugh… do not like that (more so with Rodgers as our QB). Might have to drop Burks down to a second rounder for GB. Never know what to believe this time of year .. it's the season where everyone lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Paul Bretl - Green Bay Packers 7 Round Mock Draft Based On Past Tendencies and Thresholds Pick 17: Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State Using the Rich Hill trade value chart, I traded picks 22 and 92 to Los Angeles for the 17th pick. While Olave is a bit on the smaller side compared to what the Packers typically covet at receiver, standing nearly 6’1″ and 187 pounds, he’s close, and we’ve seen just this past draft Brian Gutekunst make an exception with Amari Rodgers. With that said, Olave checks just about every other box, from age to athletic testing and filling a major positional need. We know Green Bay needs receivers, but Olave can be that high-volume go-to target who can line up all over the formation, looking for mismatches, and he is arguably the best route runner in this class who can win in all three phases of the field. The Packers need someone to be the guy; well, here he is. Pick 28: Tyler Smith, OT, Tulsa Perhaps this could be considered a bit of a reach, but I didn’t believe Smith would be available at pick 53–not to mention that trying to hit several different benchmarks in this Gutekunst-esque draft created a much smaller group of players to choose from. Smith feels like a very Green Bay Packers-type of pick. He’s still only 21-years-old, he tested very well, he plays one of the most important positions in football where Green Bay is lacking some serious depth, and he has a very high ceiling. He will likely have to go through some growing pains, but he can be a very good player. Pick 53: Logan Hall, IDL, Houston Recently, Green Bay’s IDL coach Jerry Montgomery mentioned wanting to add a pass-rush presence along the interior defensive line–which is exactly what Hall would do. He also brings excellent versatility, able to play multiple positions along the defensive front — even edge rusher if needed — and would be an immediate contributor to the Packers’ defensive line rotation on passing downs. Pick 59: Jalen Pitre, S, Baylor The Green Bay Packers need to find a third safety for the 2022 season, and they need to build the depth at the position for the coming years as well when this unit could be quite thin. Pitre spent most of his career at Baylor playing in the box or in the slot. He’s active against the run, which is very important for the safety position in Barry’s defense, and he would give Green Bay an additional presence in the slot–something that is needed. Pick 132: Tyquan Thornton, WR, Baylor Pick 140: Josh Paschal, Edge, Kentucky Pick 171: Daniel Bellinger, TE, San Diego State Pick 228: Dylan Parham, IOL, Memphis Pick 249: Zach Thomas, OT, San Diego State Pick 258: Eric Johnson, IDL, Missouri State 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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