2022 NFL Draft Thread

[Green19]

24 minutes ago, Chili said:

For a WR of Nelson size he was fast with superb running technique due to his track background and he was able to change direction very well to continue his YAC run and that what made him special. He was a big framed WR who could hold off DBs, jump and pluck the ball out of the air including those legendary over the shoulder catches. He really was a complete WR. I promise you Pierce is nothing like him. He's in fact stylistically much closer to MVS.

Alec Pierce indeed is surprisingly similar to MVS. Both are somewhat skinny framed but quick. Both are not great changing direction in open field after the catch and is easily brought down. You can see they are lacking the agility aspect of Nelson's game. I would give MVS the edge in straight line speed but Pierce is much better at jumping up and catching the ball. Pierce has some elements of Jordy's over the shoulder catch ability in his locker. If MVS was considered one dimensional as a WR then Pierce has to be considered one dimensional too but that ability to jump up and bring the ball down might give him that edge. He's only a marginal upgrade and if MVS went in the 5th round then Pierce is a 3-4th round WR.

Ok now compare a Jordy coming out of Kansas state not Jordy full developed…

I know Pierce isn’t nfl veteran, pro bowler Jordy. I’m projecting traits and measurements with what I have seen, like Ted did when he looked at a raw Safety that transitioned to WR. My point is he can become Jordy. Remember Jordy took time to develop into all those things.

Pierce’s explosion makes all the difference in comparison to MVS. MVS was shiftier… but GB never use this feature so it’s hard to use this part of his game in the evaluation/comparison. He was just 9 route guy and like you say… Pierce is literally better at this because he can leap and do the contested catching better. Looking at these traits I’m banking we can develop the other parts of his game in a way MVS never did. Agility measurements he is right by Jordy… and honestly I think he had a better shuttle but Jordy had a better 3 cone. When you watch them play Jordy isn’t moving his body in anyway where you go… lord, no way Pierce can do that. Does veteran Jordy show better body control? Of course, but I’m allowing Pierce in my mind to grow. Plus I’m not a huge Ridder fan and I think rather it was Ridder or the coaching staff, they could of done more with Pierce.

I don’t see him lasting to the 3rd or 4th round. He screams 2nd rounder, but depending on the run of WR or how the league drafts I can see movement there. Again why I mentioned him as a sneaky 28 overall pick that everyone will get pissed about.

Personally I, like others, think GB will draft Edge, oline and or defensive secondary player (Draxton Hill, Elam, maybe a McDuffie if he falls due to size). But if they are drafting a WR very earlier I’m just trying to figure out the guys that are most likely the targets.

 

[Packer_ESP]

4 hours ago, vegas492 said:

Right.....so when looking at possible first round picks, we can assume that RAS is used in some regard.  GB certainly does under Gute.

No, I don't believe it's used, I just think athletic players go in the first round. High RAS in the first round is a consequence, not a cause.

[Leader]

21 minutes ago, Packer_ESP said:

No, I don't believe it's used, I just think athletic players go in the first round. High RAS in the first round is a consequence, not a cause.

So you dont think their RAS score serves as confirmation of their athletic ability (?) or they're strictly going off game tape....and they're selections just happen to have high RAS scores...because that's what 1st rounders do.

[Green19]

22 minutes ago, Leader said:

So you dont think their RAS score serves as confirmation of their athletic ability (?) or they're strictly going off game tape....and they're selections just happen to have high RAS scores...because that's what 1st rounders do.

Know this isn’t directed towards me but I think GB uses both. It may not be RAS exactly but they clearly have a system that mirrors it. 80% of their drafted players basically score 7.8 or higher. So literally we can just pull all the players names with this and most like that pool of players will make up the draft class.

The more interesting study I think currently is Treylon Burks. They clearly would love him just from a film and an eye test model. The RAS doesn’t match those however. Which has to cause a double take and a heart to skip a beat. They have him coming in for a pre draft visit. They typically use this for off the field concerns or medical. I don’t believe Treylon has any of these flags, maybe I’m wrong. But I believe it’s because they want to get to know him better so they can talk themselves into him with such a low RAS score (think it’s like a 5.4). It’s easier to overlook “shortcomings” when you feel great about the prospect as a person.

[The Truth]

5 hours ago, packfanfb said:

Why do we keep seeing national and even local mocks having the Packers draft Raimann in the 1st? Lol the guy will be 30 at the end of his rookie deal.

 

To be fair he is old chronologically, but very young in football years, I actually wouldn't mind the pick.

[Leader]

Yahoo Mock Draft:

22. Green Bay Packers (from Las Vegas Raiders) - Purdue EDGE George Karlaftis

With receiver somewhat picked over and a quality pass-rush talent on the board, this is the way we'll go here. The team drafted Rashan Gary at 12 with the two Smiths signed to big money. We think they'd absolutely consider Karlaftis here as a third rusher behind Gary and Preston Smith.

Two "Greek Freaks" in the state of Wisconsin? We'd love it.

28. Packers  -  North Dakota State WR Christian Watson

We don't personally see a first-round talent in Watson, but perhaps the Packers do, and Watson is very much their type. He's long, able to win vertically and gets after it as a run blocker. He'd likely be the Packers' third or fourth wideout but could play a pretty significant role as the shot-play target Aaron Rodgers could use.

For those interested in the WR group....

10. Jets (from Seahawks) - USC WR Drake London
11. Washington Commanders - Ohio State WR Garrett Wilson
17. Los Angeles Chargers - Alabama WR Jameson Williams
18. New Orleans Saints -  Ohio State WR Chris Olave
19. Eagles - Arkansas WR Treylon Burks
30. Chiefs - Penn State WR Jahan Dotson

 

 

[Leader]

TDN Mock Draft - 4 rounds - auto

22. Jordan Davis IDL, Georgia

28. Treylon Burks WR, Arkansas

53. Chad Muma LB, Wyoming

59. Dylan Parham IOL, Memphis

92. Rasheed Walker OT, Penn State

132. Isaiah Thomas EDGE, Oklahoma

140. Dameon Pierce RB, Florida

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The first two guys I know.....the rest...........

[Siman08/OH]

Williams and Watson.

Make that happen. Dish love if you have too. Move up for Williams and snag Watson in the second. 

[Tperk]

Looking at the 2 FRPs that Leader just posted, which would most prefer?

 

Karlaftis/Watson or Davis/Burks?

 

I think I would kinda lean towards Davis/Burks.

[Leader]

The Packers Wire -  The Packers hosted a top-30 visit with Tyquan Thornton, Baylor’s speedy wide receiver.

TDN's breakdown......

• HT6'2"
• WT177v lbs

Tyquan Thornton is a former 3-star recruit for the state of Florida. Thornton chose the Baylor Bears over other in-state schools such as Miami, Florida, and FIU. Thornton is a senior that struggled to see significant playing time until this year (2021). The 2021 season saw Thornton's production on the field skyrocket. Thronton finished the season with 60 receptions and 10 receiving touchdowns. Thornton showcases electric speed and can seemingly run past any defender that is put in his way. Thornton uses long strides to simply glide past defenders and uncover to make himself available for the quarterback. In the NFL, I believe Thronton will have instant value as a deep threat, and defenses will always have to account for where he is aligned because he is a big play waiting to happen. 

 Ideal Role: A vertical threat receiver / deep ball threat 

Scheme Fit: Vertical offense

Route Running: Thornton is a high-waisted athlete that struggles to sink his hips on certain routes. Thornton can effectively sink his hips and work back to the receiver on curl routes and hitches, but struggles to run in-breaking routes with precision. He runs his best in-breaking routes when he gets off coverage and he can threaten the defenders vertically and then break inside to make himself open to the quarterback.

Hands: Thornton is comfortable catching the ball away from his body. He shows the ability to extend his arms and give himself a wide catch radius. But while attempting to catch a ball in traffic, Thornton elects not to extend himself and chooses to let the body get into his frame so he can secure the ball and protect himself. 

Separation: This player has exceptional speed that is shown when he has to run deep routes. He has the down-the-field speed to simply run away from defenders and put distance between himself and the defender. He has an electric burst that allows him to separate easily and put defenders in complex situations. 

Release Package: Thornton doesn't have a wide array of releases but he has a couple of effective ones that he uses in order to get an effective release. When he is getting a tight press look, Thornton likes to use a jump back release to get more space between him and the defender and then use his quickness to beat the defender. When he is getting an off coverage look, Thornton usually likes to use his quick burst off the line to quickly get in his route and make the defender bail due to his blazing speed. 

Run After Catch: After catching the ball, Thornton likes to immediately get vertical to use his speed to outrun defenders. Thornton has great speed and acceleration so when he catches the ball in the stride he becomes a threat to score with the football. Thornton is not an elusive runner and has a fairly thin frame.

Ball Skills: This player has shown to have pretty good ball skills. He does a good job of tracking the deep ball and is able to catch the ball in stride and immediately accelerate. He didn't make any spectacular catches, but overall he’s a good natural receiver. 

Football IQ: As a receiver, Thornton has a pretty good understanding of coverages. He showed that he can quickly identify zone coverage and find the holes to make himself available for the quarterback. 

Versatility: At Baylor, Thornton aligns both on the outside and in the slot, but I think he is most effective when he is aligned as a boundary receiver. Thornton has a long lower half, which affects his quickness. Thornton is a strider that operates best when he can stretch the field on vertical routes. 

Competitive Toughness: Thornton is a competitive player and it shows in his blocking. Thornton is a willing blocker that will work to effectively block his assignment. This also shows his unselfishness and doing what it takes for the team to win. 

Big Play Ability: Thornton has a tremendous amount of big-play ability. He has speed to flat-out run away from defenders and can take the top off any zone. He is a long strider that builds momentum and eats up grass quickly. Thornton has speed that will need to be accounted for in the NFL—he’s a threat to score on any play if defenders can not keep up with his speed.  

[cannondale]

I wonder if Gute thinks he can do this whole 2 or 3 year thing without having dead years after Rodgers leaves. 

1. The only way to beat void year payments is to absolutely crush the drafts. No better place to start than this year with 4 picks in the top 60. Having guys on rookie contracts is the void year payments killer and Gute may think he can win that game. So I wonder if he will be very frugal with trading away draft capital. 

2. Get the offensive line healthy. Gotta get the run game back to where it was 2 years ago when Jones killed it. Ride Jones and Dillon. This goes hand in hand with a slight pivot to counting on the defense, which can be Top 5 if it carries over last year's progress.

3. Draft the right WR's and sign or trade for a mid level vet. Yes, there will be a learning curve. But the offense is gonna ride the run game and depend on the defense. Rodgers and the WR's have 17 games to figure things out. Under the radar need is a TE upgrade. IMO a TE has a domino affect on everything else. Fix it. Winning the division shouldn't be a problem.

[MaximusGluteus]

1 hour ago, Tperk said:

Looking at the 2 FRPs that Leader just posted, which would most prefer?

 

Karlaftis/Watson or Davis/Burks?

 

I think I would kinda lean towards Davis/Burks.

Davis and Watson.  Or Davis and anyone, just give me Davis.  Unfortunately I think he'll go in the top 10-15, though. There's too much athleticism there at that size to pass up.

Edited April 1, 2022 by MaximusGluteus

[TheEagle]

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-draft-prospect-best-fits-teams-schemes-2022

BEST 2022 NFL DRAFT PROSPECT SCHEME FITS

NORTH DAKOTA STATE WR CHRISTIAN WATSON - GREEN BAY PACKERS

After trading Davante Adams to Las Vegas, quarterback Aaron Rodgers has quickly seen his wideouts room empty out with little high-end talent remaining. While there are many options for a true top receiver in this class, you’d be hard-pressed to find one with the potential of Watson. One of the most fluid athletes in the class, similarly to Adams, Watson would undoubtedly holster the majority of Rodgers' targets without a hiccup. A high-flying aerial attack led by the future first-ballot Hall of Famer, Watson’s multiple seasons of work in the frozen tundra of North Dakota should translate nicely to the bitter cold of Green Bay. If he’s on the board come the No. 22 overall pick, I would be surprised if he’s not the pick by General Manager Brian Gutekunst. Size, speed and playmaking ability in the twitched-up frame of Watson doesn’t grow on trees.

[CWood21]

9 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

James Washington went 60 that year, DJ Chark 61, two guys who were graded as deep specialists. MVS has been more productive than both.

If you comp someone out as MVS, that player is a day 2 pick. No way in hell you get that skillset on day 3. The guy just got 10 per AAV. We got him where we did because he was an unheralded prospect.

Pierce would be a fantastic pick and 53 or 59 depending on what we do round 1.

I've absolutely got a Day 2 grade on Alec Pierce.

[Sandy]

6 hours ago, The Truth said:

To be fair he is old chronologically, but very young in football years, I actually wouldn't mind the pick.

The issue with that kind of selection is he was literally a man playing against boys. And now he's going to have to play against other men. Can't remember the last time an older player actually came in and even matched expectations.