VonKarman Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Old Guy said: Anybody see Belichick's interview today on cutting Cam Newton? He made an interesting point on the majority of players who were COVID positive and their vaccine status. Not sure where he was going with it, but it was an interesting interview. Especially for him since he seldom says anything of any consequence. It was a stupid comment that made no sense. Please, repeat with me: "Vaccines are not designed to prevent infection". "Vaccines are designed to help the immune system stop the virus from effectively replicating, and thus mitigating it's effects on the human body". It really is not that hard. Any opinion that includes any comment about vaxxed people getting infected has 0 validity. The fact that vaccines ALSO help preventing it's spread is a plus, not it's main goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 hours ago, VonKarman said: It was a stupid comment that made no sense. Please, repeat with me: "Vaccines are not designed to prevent infection". "Vaccines are designed to help the immune system stop the virus from effectively replicating, and thus mitigating it's effects on the human body". It really is not that hard. Any opinion that includes any comment about vaxxed people getting infected has 0 validity. The fact that vaccines ALSO help preventing it's spread is a plus, not it's main goal. People who have previously had it have as much of those protections as those who have not had it and got vaccinated. I think that was his point. I'd be interested in how many of the players who are not vaccinated, previously had COVID. Medically, they should be treated the same as those vaccinated. At least according to the medical professionals I've spoken too. I'm not anti-vax, I've gotten vaccinated. I'm also not going to go any deeper into this conversation because nobody is changing their mind. I thought is comment was interesting. My two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 51 minutes ago, Old Guy said: People who have previously had it have as much of those protections as those who have not had it and got vaccinated. I think that was his point. I'd be interested in how many of the players who are not vaccinated, previously had COVID. Medically, they should be treated the same as those vaccinated. At least according to the medical professionals I've spoken too. I'm not anti-vax, I've gotten vaccinated. I'm also not going to go any deeper into this conversation because nobody is changing their mind. I thought is comment was interesting. My two cents. The first bolded part is not true. The second bolded is true, but shouldn't be. There is more information and SCIENTIFIC data almost everyday. To decide and bury your head in the sand is sad. We should all be learning every day. Science is our friend. Facebook is not science. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 10 hours ago, ThatJerkDave said: I have a theory that Kamal Martin was not a good football player relative to his peers. I don't believe anyone else picked him up yet, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, vegas492 said: I don't believe anyone else picked him up yet, either. I'm not so sure how sound his knees are either. He's had several knee injuries the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dubz41 said: "People who have previously had it have as much of those protections as those who have not had it and got vaccinated. I think that was his point. I'd be interested in how many of the players who are not vaccinated, previously had COVID. Medically, they should be treated the same as those vaccinated. At least according to the medical professionals I've spoken too. I'm not anti-vax, I've gotten vaccinated. I'm also not going to go any deeper into this conversation because nobody is changing their mind. I thought is comment was interesting. My two cents." " "The first bolded part is not true. The second bolded is true, but shouldn't be. There is more information and SCIENTIFIC data almost everyday. To decide and bury your head in the sand is sad. We should all be learning every day. Science is our friend. Facebook is not science." And what SCIENTIFIC data do you have that says it isn't true? A study from Israel by medical SCIENTISTS (where almost everyone is vaccinated yet over 90% of those there in the hospital with the CHiComm virus are vaccinated) says that those that have had ChiComm are 13, yes 13 times more protected than the vaccinated who hadn't had it. Look yourself, easy to find. If you are unable or unwilling I'll happily add a link. That's just one study, more to come but many in the medical field believe the same. Now the data is proving it. Edited September 2, 2021 by 15412 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Old Guy said: People who have previously had it have as much of those protections as those who have not had it and got vaccinated Completely false and needs to be called out as such so impressionable people don't believe nonsense. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 There is nobody more "impressionable" or easily led than those that believe everything a government institution tells you. Especially with socialists in power, especially so from the CDC or a globalist organization such as WHO, where the CDC gets there direction from.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 Just now, 15412 said: There is nobody more "impressionable" or easily led than those that believe everything a government institution tells you. Especially with socialists in power, especially so from the CDC or a globalist organization such as WHO, where the CDC gets there direction from.. You're a troll. Go ahead and listen to your Facebook pharmacists and take your horse de-wormer. Just because you've listened to politicos decry EVERYTHING doesn't mean scientists aren't working for the betterment of society. Unlike your favorite pod cast hosts. For the record I am married to an RN who has to take care of all the anti-vaxxers who clog up our hospital beds through their own selfish decisions. I have a daughter who is a scientist and has been working with COVID for over two years- you know like charting, testing and tracking all that SCIENCE kind of stuff? Corporations are starting to charge more health premiums for folks who won't get vaccinated (like smokers who pay more for their 'freedom to smoke'). You're confusing politics with science, if you listen carefully (not to your podcasts) you can discern between facts and rhetoric. Or maybe I'm just overestimating you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dubz41 said: You're a troll. Go ahead and listen to your Facebook pharmacists and take your horse de-wormer. Just because you've listened to politicos decry EVERYTHING doesn't mean scientists aren't working for the betterment of society. Unlike your favorite pod cast hosts. For the record I am married to an RN who has to take care of all the anti-vaxxers who clog up our hospital beds through their own selfish decisions. I have a daughter who is a scientist and has been working with COVID for over two years- you know like charting, testing and tracking all that SCIENCE kind of stuff? Corporations are starting to charge more health premiums for folks who won't get vaccinated (like smokers who pay more for their 'freedom to smoke'). You're confusing politics with science, if you listen carefully (not to your podcasts) you can discern between facts and rhetoric. Or maybe I'm just overestimating you. Part of the sound asleep "woke" culture. If the politics don't match the sheep tune it out. What's important is where the study comes from, and it's not the Commie News Network... A preprint study from Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University in Israel could make waves in the COVID vaccination debate. The study suggests recovered coronavirus patients are 13 times less likely to be reinfected by the Delta variant than those who had received a two-dose regimen of the shot, while suggesting inoculation may add additional protection to the previously infected. “This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity,” the conclusion read. “Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Completely false and needs to be called out as such so impressionable people don't believe nonsense. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html Not to turn this into a Rogan podcast session but: I'm into the vax and got it ASAP. I wasn't pumped to take a new vaccine thb. My choice utlimently came down to me trusting an American/German vaccine technology over a Chinese made virus and about 100 million older people taking it before me. I hope every Packer does it for the teams advantage and think people who had covid should probably still get it ( but their choice). That's something I shifted on recently after seeing people get reinfected and get very sick. As someone who spent a good deal of their career in federal government, I trust the majority of information they release based on science. However, I don't think you can look at what the advice the CDC, NIH, and WHO have said since the beginning of this pandemic and take everything definitively with this situation and virus. Unfortunately, I also don't know if the CDC can be cited as fact because they and the WHO have been wrong and/or backtracked on a good deal to be frank. I know that may read like a knock against the CDC, but the bottom line is western governments were especially unprepared for this since they hadn't experience SARS or anything like that and are still learning as they go. There are still a lot of unknowns. Edited September 2, 2021 by Arthur Penske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dubz41 said: You're a troll. Go ahead and listen to your Facebook pharmacists and take your horse de-wormer. Just because you've listened to politicos decry EVERYTHING doesn't mean scientists aren't working for the betterment of society. Unlike your favorite pod cast hosts. For the record I am married to an RN who has to take care of all the anti-vaxxers who clog up our hospital beds through their own selfish decisions. I have a daughter who is a scientist and has been working with COVID for over two years- you know like charting, testing and tracking all that SCIENCE kind of stuff? Corporations are starting to charge more health premiums for folks who won't get vaccinated (like smokers who pay more for their 'freedom to smoke'). You're confusing politics with science, if you listen carefully (not to your podcasts) you can discern between facts and rhetoric. Or maybe I'm just overestimating you. It's definitely been on my ignore list for awhile. I suggest the same. Posts nothing of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 In b4 locked 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: I don't think you can look at what the advice the CDC, NIH, and WHO have said since the beginning of this pandemic and take everything definitively with this situation and virus Science is fluid. Everytime I see a post that conflicts with the best information we have today in exchange for far, far worse pseudo-science I will continue to call it out and point readers to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, incognito_man said: It's definitely been on my ignore list for awhile. I suggest the same. Posts nothing of value. Sound asleep "woke" culture at it's finest. How could they possibly pursue science when they only pursue their "chosen"science? A preprint study from Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University in Israel could make waves in the COVID vaccination debate. The study suggests recovered coronavirus patients are 13 times less likely to be reinfected by the Delta variant than those who had received a two-dose regimen of the shot, while suggesting inoculation may add additional protection to the previously infected. “This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity,” the conclusion read. “Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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