Trevor Lawrence is looking like a bad pick for the Jags

[Apparition]

Just from a statistical and situational standpoint, he's having a similar rookie season to the one Matthew Stafford had in '09. Stafford threw 13 td passes and 20 interceptions in 10 starts; TLaw has 10 and 17 in 16 starts. Stafford had most of his 2nd season wiped out by injury, but then had a breakout year in 2011. Stafford also was on a team looking at a multi-year rebuild, with a depleted roster, just like Lawrence.

What I'm saying is that it's too early to declare Lawrence an outright bust. There are some warning signs, but he's also saying all the right things off the field and showing solid leadership despite the circumstances, so there's reason to think he'll turn it around. 

[.Buzz]

12 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

Serious question:

What, other than his "raw talent" (that plenty of QBs have had to varying degrees) and the rare "pop" play (that many a QB in the NFL has made one of while still not being very good) has Trevor Lawrence actually done to not be considered a bust (at this point)? 

I feel like the only reason he's being defended as much as he is rests almost solely on the idea that he was "supposed to be one of the best ever QB prospects". 

He hasn't elevated the roster, he hasn't made big plays outside of the rare occasion, he hasn't willed the team to wins, he's been objectively worse than his peers and even the guy he replaced. 

I guess my more direct question is: If Trevor Lawrence didn't receive the immense hype he got over the last 3 years, would anyone be defending his play as much as they do? 

I live for seeing the same post in this thread every week with different wording.

If you want to declare Lawrence a bust, go right ahead. No ones stopping you.

[ronjon1990]

1 minute ago, .Buzz said:

I live for seeing the same post in this thread every week with different wording.

If you want to declare Lawrence a bust, go right ahead. No ones stopping you.

I declared him a bust before the draft. 😉

Thanks for the answer to the direct question though, boss.

[.Buzz]

2 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

I declared him a bust before the draft. 😉

Thanks for the answer to the direct question though, boss.

I mean, this thread is 44 pages and your question has been answered at least a handful of times through from multiple people with different personal viewpoints. If you haven’t got an answer you’re looking for yet, you probably won’t be anytime soon.

The first part of your post kind of answers it all though, doesn’t it?

[ronjon1990]

1 minute ago, .Buzz said:

I mean, this thread is 44 pages and your question has been answered at least a handful of times through from multiple people with different personal viewpoints.

 If you haven’t got an answer your looking for yet, you probably won’t be anytime soon.

You right. You a mod. You should just lock the thread since no revelations are going to come from the discussion. 👌

[.Buzz]

9 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said:

You right. You a mod. You should just lock the thread since no revelations are going to come from the discussion. 👌

Nah, nothing wrong with a good discussion. Just saying it’s been asked and answered a good handful of times. 

[MookieMonstah]

I don’t know how much we can blame on coaching here. Trevor makes flat out bad decisions and misses a lot of throws. Urban might’ve broke this dude lol

[1ForTheThumb]

16 hours ago, lancerman said:

I mean his team just got torn up by another rookie who was mostly passing to UDFA's. Wilson who is also on a **** situation has looked much better recently. Mills is also on a bad team and looked better. 

Lawrence always looks like there's an interception in the wings because the game is two fast for him. It's obvious. It can be fixed, but he is not a positive for his team right now on a team where any positives would stand out. 

Tjhat's always been the problem with the thread. It's not one side totally ignoring that Lawrence has a bad cast. It's one side knows he has a bad cast and also see's real problems with him a long with that. Then the otherside thinks he's beyond criticism becauseof his cast. No he has a bad cast and he's also playing bad. People said the same thing about Darnold the last couple years. Turns out... no alot of it was him. 

It's too early to write him off, but he's still playing bad given what he was projected to be even given the situation. He can turn it around, but he's not instantly become better just by a more competent situation around him. There's a lot himself he has to work on. Right now Jones, Mills, Wilson and Fields are clearly ahead of him in just the basics and have shown some measure of improvement that Lawrence has not. Lance who isn't really playing and was always supposed to be viewed as a project who would need time is the only guy who is debateable with him. And by comparison, Lawrence was supposed to be a generational NFL ready QB in the mold of Manning or Luck. So there is absolutely cause for concern right now. 

It's lazy to just say "well the team is bad"

Preach; not sure why this is so hard for some to admit. 

[TitanSlim]

I’ll just say this. You’d hope Lawrence would look better than Gardner Minshew did for the Jags and that just hasn’t been the case. I get the circumstances and situation Lawrence has been put in has been terrible but it’s not like Minshew was in a ideal situation either.

I think Lawrence will be fine, barring the Jags butchering their next coaching search/hire again. I think overall it was a disappointing rookie year for him though, especially considering the generational prospect hype he had coming into the season.

[Forge]

8 minutes ago, TitanSlim said:

I’ll just say this. You’d hope Lawrence would look better than Gardner Minshew did for the Jags and that just hasn’t been the case. I get the circumstances and situation Lawrence has been put in has been terrible but it’s not like Minshew was in a ideal situation either.

I think Lawrence will be fine, barring the Jags butchering their next coaching search/hire again. I think overall it was a disappointing rookie year for him though, especially considering the generational prospect hype he had coming into the season.

I mean, this is a pretty high bar to top in terms of looking better

[AlexGreen#20]

The problem with evaluating Lawrence was always that he had the protection and the supporting cast to get into a rhythm and throw clean. The vast majority of what he was doing was throwing from a clean pocket to a wide open receiver. It was hard to evaluate his pocket presence, his decision making under pressure, and his ability to throw off platform simply based on the small sample size.

Now he's in the opposite situation, and the hope is that he's just a little shell shocked by what is a new experience for him and the talent will show through after he gets adjusted. The fear is that he's broken or was vastly overrated as a prospect. 

[KhanYouDigIt]

WHY IS TREVOR LAWRENCE NOT HAVING SUCCESS

 

 

[pwny]

Trevor Lawrence is a bust because he hasn’t elevated the coaches and receivers to run routes that aren’t this. 

I wonder why he is often throwing into traffic and isn’t making big plays all the time. 

[KhanYouDigIt]

This guy sucks. Can’t even get his receivers to run the right routes.

[pwny]

21 minutes ago, KhanYouDigIt said:

This guy sucks. Can’t even get his receivers to run the right routes.

Conservatively, this happens 3-4 times a game where it’s blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention that someone is running the wrong route. Add on top of that the times where it’s not obvious unless you know the route that’s supposed to be.

I really don’t know what people expect him to do when at least 10% of passing plays, someone is messing up the play so thoroughly that nothing can be done to save it, and who knows how many other plays.