Packerraymond Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I mean, you're praising Thomas for his 6.8 3-cone, yet Burks was a 4.55 guy but he had a 7.28 3-cone. When you have outstanding GPS data, teams don't care about your Combine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Drake was doing 540 dunks and hit 21 mph in high school. Don't care about jumps and a 40. Better change of direction/smoother than Burks based on tape. London will still go top 15 and if he doesn't, i pray the Packers move up for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 3 hours ago, CWood21 said: I don't think he needs to be that guy. I think he's going to have a very long career, and a very successful one. Me either, he reminds me of Hunter Renfrow, not the biggest or fastest guy but just always seems to find a way to get open. 5 hours ago, .Buzz said: Does the drops worry you? I like the skillset but those are alarming to me. I'm not too concerned about it honestly, I don't think it will be an issue for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Question. Why does it seem guys like London/Williams are getting a free pass, perhaps even their stock increaced after coming off serious injury but a guy like Ross is being shaded to the 2nd round because of his injury. We just saw London/Williams have dominant years but Ross didn't look the same coming off of the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: When you have outstanding GPS data, teams don't care about your Combine. Agreed. Sometimes guys just don't test as well as expected for whatever reason despite evidence showing they are explosive on the field. Treylon Burks is one of those guys Edited April 15, 2022 by tyler735 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 35 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Drake was doing 540 dunks and hit 21 mph in high school. Don't care about jumps and a 40. Better change of direction/smoother than Burks based on tape. London will still go top 15 and if he doesn't, i pray the Packers move up for him. Everyone always falls in love with H/W/S when evaluating WR yet we see guys like Adams, Kupp, Diggs, etc. tearing up the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Everyone always falls in love with H/W/S when evaluating WR yet we see guys like Adams, Kupp, Diggs, etc. tearing up the league. I like London and Burks cause both are very good WRs. They have size and enough athleticism. We aren't talking about Stephen Hill types who can't do anything except run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Everyone always falls in love with H/W/S when evaluating WR yet we see guys like Adams, Kupp, Diggs, etc. tearing up the league. It's not H/W/S, it's London couldn't separate in college, how will that change in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Packerraymond said: It's not H/W/S, it's London couldn't separate in college, how will that change in the NFL? I was just referring to you saying that you wouldn't take him in the 1st round without a 40 time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEagle Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 13 hours ago, Packerraymond said: It's not H/W/S, it's London couldn't separate in college, how will that change in the NFL? Sure he could. He separates in the short and intermediate areas, and dominants contested catch situations down the field. He’s the best at that since Mike Evans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/15/2022 at 12:47 PM, Packerraymond said: It's not H/W/S, it's London couldn't separate in college, how will that change in the NFL? Was separating against Notre Dame decently well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Girl Squad Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/15/2022 at 12:03 PM, tyler735 said: Agreed. Sometimes guys just don't test as well as expected for whatever reason despite evidence showing they are explosive on the field. Treylon Burks is one of those guys The thing with Burks is that he has absolutely absurd high end speed, which even the 40 underrates. Problem is how much top end speed really matters in the NFL vs. everything else. If thats 5-6 long TDs where others would have been tackled, thats super useful. If its 1-2 plays that most solid WRs would have made regardess, thats less useful. 10 yard splits (where he was solid but unspectacular) are more predictive of NFL success than top-end speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Teen Girl Squad said: The thing with Burks is that he has absolutely absurd high end speed, which even the 40 underrates. Problem is how much top end speed really matters in the NFL vs. everything else. If thats 5-6 long TDs where others would have been tackled, thats super useful. If its 1-2 plays that most solid WRs would have made regardess, thats less useful. 10 yard splits (where he was solid but unspectacular) are more predictive of NFL success than top-end speed. While I get that some guys aren't quite as good out of the blocks (accelerating) as others, which could lead to a poor 40 time. It would be inaccurate to say Burks is lacking in that regard with what he has shown on the field. His game against Alabama was an excellent display of his physical gifts and clearly showcased that he is very explosive on the field. This play for example. He gets an inside release and has no issue accelerating past the Alabama corner for a deep catch down the field. Then there's this play where he catches a back shoulder ball and has his momentum completely stop and is still able to accelerate and separate from the Alabama secondary for a long touchdown. Plays like this are far more valuable than any 40 time or 10 yard split ever could be in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 4:32 AM, TheEagle said: Sure he could. He separates in the short and intermediate areas, and dominants contested catch situations down the field. He’s the best at that since Mike Evans. Isn't that exactly what was said about N'Keal Harry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techbert Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 16 hours ago, tyler735 said: While I get that some guys aren't quite as good out of the blocks (accelerating) as others, which could lead to a poor 40 time. It would be inaccurate to say Burks is lacking in that regard with what he has shown on the field. His game against Alabama was an excellent display of his physical gifts and clearly showcased that he is very explosive on the field. This play for example. He gets an inside release and has no issue accelerating past the Alabama corner for a deep catch down the field. Then there's this play where he catches a back shoulder ball and has his momentum completely stop and is still able to accelerate and separate from the Alabama secondary for a long touchdown. Plays like this are far more valuable than any 40 time or 10 yard split ever could be in my opinion. Are those times before or after he visits the Mrs Freshley's outlet store? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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