braylon Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: Every player is injured at this point in the year No doubt, and his poor play goes way beyond the shoulder injury.. But as someone else pointed out, it's different for quarterbacks, and especially different for quarterbacks with an injury that significantly throws off their throwing mechanics. He's been an accurate thrower of the football for just about his whole life.. are we to assume he just magically lost that ability this year and the injury has nothing to do with it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Baker has never been THAT good of a QB; the Browns turnaround has been mainly due to improvements to the roster. Mayfield has mostly been a liability to them, even in his "good" years. Don't really care about PFF or the occassional good game; I think long term and rely on the eye test. Overall Baker has been a mediocre game manager with a low ceiling and a hideously bad floor. Browns with Baker are golfing in January. Browns with an ELITE quarterback like Deshaun Watson are playing for the Super Bowl in January. Edited December 26, 2021 by biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Edit: Wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 1 minute ago, .Buzz said: Eagles getting a 1st for Wentz is still wild to me. might be a decent win/win trade for both teams. Indy is a playoff team with Wentz at the moment and Philly is in the hunt for a playoff spot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 This thread is hyperbole Baker is not a top 10 QB, he's probably not even top 20 Not only can you not give him a big contract, but you must start planning how to replace him after this season or after next That's all bad news, but he's not the worst starter in the league - and I don't think we (and especially Browns fans) need ANOTHER full thread about this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 One pass for Baker: His receivers suck. Browns are going to overhaul WRs and TEs this offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 26, 2021 Author Share Posted December 26, 2021 Just now, Tk3 said: This thread is hyperbole Baker is not a top 10 QB, he's probably not even top 20 Not only can you not give him a big contract, but you must start planning how to replace him after this season or after next That's all bad news, but he's not the worst starter in the league - and I don't think we (and especially Browns fans) need ANOTHER full thread about this He is the worst imo because he is SINGLE HANDEDLY holding them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Just now, squire12 said: might be a decent win/win trade for both teams. Indy is a playoff team with Wentz at the moment and Philly is in the hunt for a playoff spot as well. Indy has a legitimate chance at the super bowl, and Wentz is good enough to do it. Well worth the 1st rounder to stay in contention As for the Eagles - the only reason they lose is because by trading Wentz they tied their fates to a bad QB. If they address QB elsewhere and use the draft capital correctly - then getting out of a troubling Wentz situation with assets makes it a win for them too Very intriguing situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tk3 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Just now, candyman93 said: One pass for Baker: His receivers suck. Browns are going to overhaul WRs and TEs this offseason. I mostly agree It's weird because I look with my eyes and I THINK I see WRs messing up all over the place It's also weird that its otherwise pretty good WRs (Landry, OBJ) who are suddenly bad. It makes me wonder if what I'm seeing is incorrect and its a bigger issue It's just too much of a coincidence that ALL his receivers suck and not even a nobody is able to step up when given opportunities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, squire12 said: might be a decent win/win trade for both teams. Indy is a playoff team with Wentz at the moment and Philly is in the hunt for a playoff spot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tk3 said: Indy has a legitimate chance at the super bowl, and Wentz is good enough to do it. Well worth the 1st rounder to stay in contention agreed 2 minutes ago, Tk3 said: As for the Eagles - the only reason they lose is because by trading Wentz they tied their fates to a bad QB. If they address QB elsewhere and use the draft capital correctly - then getting out of a troubling Wentz situation with assets makes it a win for them too If Philly understands what Hurts does well, he has shown he can win games. just not sure he can develop enough to win enough to make a deep playoff push. Philly- Wents was not working and the split needed to happen. With the assets that Philly has, they could very well be players in the QB market, sucks for them the draft is not a great QB one 2 minutes ago, Tk3 said: Very intriguing situation for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braylon Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, biggie. said: Baker has never been THAT good of a QB; the Browns turnaround has been mainly due to improvements to the roster. Mayfield has mostly been a liability to them, even in his "good" years. Don't really care about PFF or the occassional good game; I think long term and rely on the eye test. Overall Baker has been a mediocre game manager with a low ceiling and a hideously bad floor. Browns with Baker are golfing in January. Browns with an ELITE quarterback like Deshaun Watson are playing for the Super Bowl in January. Much different argument than "worst starting QB and it's not even close" and "he's always sucked". Those two you have no argument for.. This, you can kinda back up I guess. I'm not huge on PFF, but I trust them more than your eye test lol. Especially since your eye test is clearly biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, ThatJaxxenGuy said: Every player is injured at this point in the year But not everyone is injured the same. He was throwing a good ball today. The problem today wasnt the injury it was the player. The problems with the browns offense 1. We dont have dangerous weapons outside of Chubb. 2. We have overrated skill players, Njoku, ahooper, Jarvis. 3. We had 3 starters missing on the offensive line. 4. Baker is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braylon Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tk3 said: I mostly agree It's weird because I look with my eyes and I THINK I see WRs messing up all over the place It's also weird that its otherwise pretty good WRs (Landry, OBJ) who are suddenly bad. It makes me wonder if what I'm seeing is incorrect and its a bigger issue It's just too much of a coincidence that ALL his receivers suck and not even a nobody is able to step up when given opportunities Landry isn't really suddenly bad though, he's just not able to separate anymore. Still makes tough catches and love him on the team and he's a solid slot guy, but he can't be your #1 option at this point in his career (or ever IMO). The OBJ thing.. inexplicable and incredibly frustrating, I don't know what to say. Either way, at this point, his WRs are awful as an overall group. They were not good last year after OBJ went down either. None of them can beat man coverage, it's tough. Baker played one of the best games of his career against the Chiefs in the playoffs IMO, but his stats don't even come close to showing that.. and that was all on the receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Its important to remember how bad that last int was from an officating point of view. the corner steps in front of DPJ beyond 5 yards to impede him, then as he turns he pulls on his jersey, sling shots around him to grab the ball. it was a 5 yarder and a DPI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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