Pugger Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 16 hours ago, rocky_rams said: Raiders looking to become New England Patriots West With Derek Carr? Carr is no Tom Brady... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 15 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: A lot of that was his personnel control right? Nope - he was a bad coach who beat up on teams coached by guys like Whisenhunt, Marrone and Pagano, with QBs such as Bortles, Mettenberger, and an Andrew Luck (who was behind a line made up of string cheese and broken dreams). He won games because he simply had more talent than Jacksonville, Tennessee and Indianapolis at those times (Deshaun Watson, prime JJ Watt, young Hopkins, Jadevion Clowney, Kareem Jackson, DJ Reader, AJ Bouye, Bernardrick McKinney, Arian Foster/Andre Johnson were still productive early on, etc). People talk about the QB situation in Houston, but when the in-division QB slate is just as poor and your team is much better everywhere else, what's the end result? BoB would go 6-0 in division, then 3-7 outside of the division and would usually get embarrassed in the playoffs when the level of competition improves - only time he was able to win in the playoffs is when Connor Cook was making his first ever (and only) start on NFL, or when Watson/Hopkins/Watt pulled off some magic. BoB is the exception to "you are what your record is". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Has he backed out yet? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Does he now firmly have the most punchable face of all HC's in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Does he now firmly have the most punchable face of all HC's in the NFL? Easily now that Sean Payton is gone. But Jim Harbaugh might come back to give Josh a run for his money. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Pugger said: With Derek Carr? Carr is no Tom Brady... He's better than Mac Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He's better than Mac Jones Their rookie year bulk stats are near identical, except Mac has 14% on Derek's completion percentage and before you say it, a slightly better yards per catch. Unfortunately Intended Air Yards (basically how deep the receiver was when making the catch) wasnt tracked consistently in Carr's rookie year but Mac's 2021 number (8) was on par with Carr's which was 6.1, 6.6, 8.1, and 8.1 the last four years. Hell the biggest difference in their stats THIS year is Carr threw more and therefore had more yards. TD/INT was one off. Rookie Mac is already almost as productive as 8 year vet Carr. Could be interesting to compare their careers when all is said and done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Deadpulse said: Their rookie year bulk stats are near identical, except Mac has 14% on Derek's completion percentage and before you say it, a slightly better yards per catch. Unfortunately Intended Air Yards (basically how deep the receiver was when making the catch) wasnt tracked consistently in Carr's rookie year but Mac's 2021 number (8) was on par with Carr's which was 6.1, 6.6, 8.1, and 8.1 the last four years. Hell the biggest difference in their stats THIS year is Carr threw more and therefore had more yards. TD/INT was one off. Rookie Mac is already almost as productive as 8 year vet Carr. Could be interesting to compare their careers when all is said and done. Mac Jones also had an elite offensive line, great running game, top tier defense, and elite coaching staff to lean on. If you put Mac on our team last year he would've been fried chicken. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Mcdaniels, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Mac Jones also had an elite offensive line, great running game, top tier defense, and elite coaching staff to lean on. If you put Mac on our team last year he would've been fried chicken. Mac was sacked more often (5.1 sack rate) then Carr in Carr's rookie year (3.9). Carr was sacked at 6% clip this year. Mac's pocket time on average was 2.4 seconds with pressure on 18.4% of pass attempts. Again, these stats werent kept in Carrs rookie year but this year he saw 2.5 seconds in the pocket and 20% pressure. Remarkably similiar. I will give you the coaching piece though. Its probably why Mac is ahead of where Carr was as a rookie. Ultimately we will see where the comparison goes as Mac is asked to do more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: Mac was sacked more often (5.1 sack rate) then Carr in Carr's rookie year (3.9). Carr was sacked at 6% clip this year. Mac's pocket time on average was 2.4 seconds with pressure on 18.4% of pass attempts. Again, these stats werent kept in Carrs rookie year but this year he saw 2.5 seconds in the pocket and 20% pressure. Remarkably similiar. I will give you the coaching piece though. Its probably why Mac is ahead of where Carr was as a rookie. Ultimately we will see where the comparison goes as Mac is asked to do more. If you think our OL and your OL were even remotely close, you didn't watch us play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, y*so*blu said: Easily now that Sean Payton is gone. But Jim Harbaugh might come back to give Josh a run for his money. Urban Meyer and Matt Nagy gone too. Tomlin, Shanahan, Joe Judge and Dan Campbell still in the mix. McDaniels definitely in that top tier, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, NYRaider said: If you think our OL and your OL were even remotely close, you didn't watch us play. From a run game perspective, yea NE had some of the best run blocking in the league last year. The numbers suggest Carr and Mac had the same pocket this season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, Deadpulse said: From a run game perspective, yea NE had some of the best run blocking in the league last year. The numbers suggest Carr and Mac had the same pocket this season though. I think having an elite run game to lean on keeps a defense off balance. The Raiders had zero running threat so teams were able to come after Carr all game, every game. Carr was sacked multiple times in 15/17 games, Mac was sacked multiple times in 9/17 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I think having an elite run game to lean on keeps a defense off balance. The Raiders had zero running threat so teams were able to come after Carr all game, every game. Carr was sacked multiple times in 15/17 games, Mac was sacked multiple times in 9/17 games. When Mac had a bad game he had a BAD game, that is for sure. However, the run game is why I said it will be interesting to see how Mac does when he is asked to do more earlier in this discussion. Will that increased workload stick with the trend or will he crumble under the weight of it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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