Jraider91 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Jones best case is Carr/Cousins level player imo. Just not enough arm talent or moxy like Burrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: Already stated in my convo with @NYRaider that I give the coaches and supporting cast credit for having Mac ahead of where Carr was his rookie year. It's a big reason why the comparison is fascinating, Carr developed into a good QB despite his uncontrollables. Meanwhile BB made an uncharacteristic effort to give his rookie training wheels in FA. It'll be interesting to see how Jones develops, he's been put in a very good position so far so fascinating to see if he takes that next step. For me, Carr has developed despite the position he's been put in, I have a feeling we could and should have got more from him and wasted some of his talent. Hopefully Josh McD can eek out a bit more and if he can scheme a better red zone offence Carr can maybe take advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: Already stated in my convo with @NYRaider that I give the coaches and supporting cast credit for having Mac ahead of where Carr was his rookie year. It's a big reason why the comparison is fascinating, Carr developed into a good QB despite his uncontrollables. Meanwhile BB made an uncharacteristic effort to give his rookie training wheels in FA. The only reason I defend him is because he's become a good player despite horrific talent/coaching and I'm hoping a good coach can help him ascend a level. Might just be me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, childofpudding said: Urban Meyer and Matt Nagy gone too. Tomlin, Shanahan, Joe Judge and Dan Campbell still in the mix. McDaniels definitely in that top tier, though. Judge was fired, thankfully, so he's out of the running if we're going by current HCs. 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofpudding Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, y*so*blu said: Judge was fired, thankfully, so he's out of the running if we're going by current HCs. 🙂 Ah, that's right. Congratulations to you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 34 minutes ago, Darbsk said: 1 hour ago, Deadpulse said: Already stated in my convo with @NYRaider that I give the coaches and supporting cast credit for having Mac ahead of where Carr was his rookie year. It's a big reason why the comparison is fascinating, Carr developed into a good QB despite his uncontrollables. Meanwhile BB made an uncharacteristic effort to give his rookie training wheels in FA. It'll be interesting to see how Jones develops, he's been put in a very good position so far so fascinating to see if he takes that next step. For me, Carr has developed despite the position he's been put in, I have a feeling we could and should have got more from him and wasted some of his talent. Hopefully Josh McD can eek out a bit more and if he can scheme a better red zone offence Carr can maybe take advantage. Big question for me is and still will rely on that Raiders OL. Even with the retirement of Scarnecchia, the Pats still finished with, at minimum, a top-half-of-the-league OL (some of us would make a case for higher than that). Now maybe there's a similar addition by subtraction as to what occurred in Seattle when Tom Cable is removed from the mix, but it's difficult to argue that McDaniels has definitely enjoyed the benefit of upper echelon (at the very least coached - and that coaching clearly made even sub-par talents overachieve) OL's the duration of his time coordinating for the Pats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Jraider91 said: Jones best case is Carr/Cousins level player imo. Just not enough arm talent or moxy like Burrow. It’s all about how well you make reads in this league. Cutler had one of the best arms in the league and it got him nowhere. Jones can make the throws. Being a QB is 90% mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Heinz D. Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 On 1/30/2022 at 12:55 PM, bigbadbuff said: Oh no. I have a similar feeling to this hire that i did the Urbs hire last year. As you should. Sorry, Raiders fans. You deserve better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Heinz D. said: As you should. Sorry, Raiders fans. You deserve better than this. I feel good about the hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Jraider91 said: Jones best case is Carr/Cousins level player imo. Just not enough arm talent or moxy like Burrow. that's funny when you look at his results this year. He has been on Carr/Cousins level as a rookie and is only going to get better. Carr/Cousins is his floor. And let's not even talk about the terrible wide receivers and 1 capable TE he has. QBR 14th Cousins 15th Carr 16th Jones EPA+CPOE 11th Jones 14th Cousins 15th Carr DVOA Cousins 8th Carr 11th Jones 13th PFF Cousins 5th Jones 10th Carr 12th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, lancerman said: It’s all about how well you make reads in this league. Cutler had one of the best arms in the league and it got him nowhere. Jones can make the throws. Being a QB is 90% mental. yep...Jones will be very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 At least he is owning and acknowledging his mistakes. Has he truly learned from them? We'll see. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: At least he is owning and acknowledging his mistakes. Has he truly learned from them? We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 55 minutes ago, Dr LBC said: Big question for me is and still will rely on that Raiders OL. Even with the retirement of Scarnecchia, the Pats still finished with, at minimum, a top-half-of-the-league OL (some of us would make a case for higher than that). Now maybe there's a similar addition by subtraction as to what occurred in Seattle when Tom Cable is removed from the mix, but it's difficult to argue that McDaniels has definitely enjoyed the benefit of upper echelon (at the very least coached - and that coaching clearly made even sub-par talents overachieve) OL's the duration of his time coordinating for the Pats. That's a good point. Josh never had to worry about his offensive line before. At least he has Scar on speed dial for advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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