Wyld Stallyns Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, SkippyX said: It’s not 6 years later as a brand new Dolphins employee in the same way the 1 year old going on 2 years Watson story is being treated as new. Also the child thing where mom and dad won’t rat on each other’s child abuse was not 6 years ago. Hill has played 6 seasons of NFL football (and college) since the punching incident and 3 seasons since the broken arm incident. Watson hasn’t played one down of football since the allegations first started to come to light. So yes, it’s fresh in everyone’s mind for a reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 minute ago, MKnight82 said: Wasn’t Micah Kiser already a raider? Signed him 3 days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Broncofan said: To get cap relief you minimize salary. Signing bonus money is paid out evenly over the life of the contract. Salary counts to present year. Player gets all that $ up front too. As opposed to 17 weekly payments for the salary. Why no player ever refuses that type of deal. So in extreme cases when teams need every $ that year it happens. In Watson’s case though it’s also very much to minimize the penalty financially. NE did the same with TB12 and restructured his salary from 12M+ to 1M the year of Deflategate. So they let him save millions off that 4-gane suspension by reducing the financial impact to 250k as only salary is affected. Bonus money isn’t affected by suspension directly. The NFL allowing that move with NE/TB12 is why it wasn’t even a question with CLE doing it with Watson. The structure is normal if teams want to save cap space year 1. But it’s very much a big relief to Watson too both to reduce the financial hit of any suspension and to also get him more $ up front. Yeah, I’m fine with NFL letting the NE doing do that for Brady. But definitely not for what the Browns are doing for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Matts4313 said: You can pay to get custody. Custody and/or divorces are just civil lawsuits. So two people get together and exchange things. "You give me $10m and you can have the kids" can absolutely happen, as long as CPS isnt involved. Except they, CPS, were. Not sure why mods allow this derailing in every Tyreek thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Xenos said: Yeah, I’m fine with NFL letting the NE doing do that for Brady. But definitely not for what the Browns are doing for Watson. The league follows rules and there is no run it by a football message board poll on who can sign what type of contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SkippyX said: The league follows rules and there is no run it by a football message board poll on who can sign what type of contract. Although to be fair, when it comes to deciding penalties, the NFL is more like a Wheel of (Mis)Fortune in its consistency. But yes, from a precedent/practice perspective, the NFL got itself in this situation by allowing the Pats & Brady circumvent TB12's lost income from that suspension with the restructure. With collective bargaining and grievance measures in place, there is absolutely zero chance the NFL could block this move, if they allowed NE/TB12 to do it. How it plays out in the court of public opinion is another matter altogether, but as a layman, that's the clear message I got. Edited March 25, 2022 by Broncofan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 11 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Although to be fair, when it comes to deciding penalties, the NFL is more like a Wheel of (Mis)Fortune in its consistency. But yes, from a precedent/practice perspective, the NFL got itself in this situation by allowing the Pats & Brady circumvent TB12's lost income from that suspension with the restructure. With collective bargaining and grievance measures in place, there is absolutely zero chance the NFL could block this move, if they allowed NE/TB12 to do it. How it plays out in the court of public opinion is another matter altogether, but as a layman, that's the clear message I got. They have even less chance in this case. It’s not a restructure for suspension. It’s a brand new contract with a new team with a very low year 1 salary for cap reasons. No one can prove it’s not for cap reasons. Even if it’s for both cap and suspension reasons you can’t penalize the Browns cap structuring because some people have strong feelings. Hill himself has a new contract with a low year 1 salary. it’s also a huge leap to think that forcing 10 million into year 1 leading to 4 million in lost salary would teach a guy a lesson as he collects the other 226 million. It’s a nothing burger (the year 1 contract details) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SkippyX said: They have even less chance in this case. It’s not a restructure for suspension. It’s a brand new contract with a new team with a very low year 1 salary for cap reasons. No one can prove it’s not for cap reasons. Even if it’s for both cap and suspension reasons you can’t penalize the Browns cap structuring because some people have strong feelings. Hill himself has a new contract with a low year 1 salary. it’s also a huge leap to think that forcing 10 million into year 1 leading to 4 million in lost salary would teach a guy a lesson as he collects the other 226 million. It’s a nothing burger (the year 1 contract details) Absolutely has plausible deniability because of the cap implications. But let’s also recognize saving the $ for both QB was a clear benefit. And a way the orgs and players could middle finger the NFL penalty-wise given the league’s capricious approach to setting penalties. To be clear I have zero sympathy for the league. Their past practices created this problem. But doesn’t mean cap is the only reason it’s going down this way either. It is what it is. Edited March 25, 2022 by Broncofan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 I think Hill has every right to play. You can read details about his investigation that lead to 1 of 3 conclusions. Either he did nothing wrong with his kid or he is hyper aware of the visibility of text messages in the legal system (or both) We can’t know so he plays We also can’t know with Watson. 2 different police investigations and grand juries did the same as Child Services did for Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 @Broncofan absolutely the leagues system of discipline is truly bizarre. We had a Saints player suspended because some idiot investigator pretended she heard him yell something without his lips moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, kingseanjohn said: Except they, CPS, were. Not sure why mods allow this derailing in every Tyreek thread. Link that CPS was involved at the time he won custody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Link that CPS was involved at the time he won custody? PM sent to not derail this thread any further. Edited March 25, 2022 by kingseanjohn Spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 (edited) The people who care about the NFL letting guys get away with a slap on the wrist, Hill, AP, Watson, etc.. don't watch football anymore. If it truly matters that much to you, you wouldn't be consuming it. I know quite a few people who actually did stop watching/cheering for NFL teams after the Kaepernick kneeling controversy.. if you really want to make a stand, find something else to spend your time and money on Edited March 25, 2022 by adamq 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Is this Brady to Miami stuff legit or all Bs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Is this Brady to Miami stuff legit or all Bs? What...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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