GangGreen420 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: I was gonna say why only 3 games then realized they're division games. Also NE made us look like we didn’t even belong on the field with them twice last year. Need redemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, GangGreen420 said: Also NE made us look like we didn’t even belong on the field with them twice last year. Need redemption. Yeah Will Parks tweeted about that. I hope we come out firing. The crowd will be hot to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Reality is, it is a mix of both however we can't fault him if the line isn't doing their jobs in pass pro. Why he is under duress is irrelevant. The fact is he is the worst QB under pressure. All QB’s will face pressure during a game but do not handle it as poorly. Knowing this, it is up to MLF to do what he can to help. It is up to the OL to step it up. But above all, it is on Zach to deal with it better than he has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyt31 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 The solid black uniforms are going to look good. We picked this game to wear them because they remember how the pats ran up the score on us. We have to return the favor. I want to see us knocking heads off and talking trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 58 minutes ago, xrade said: Why he is under duress is irrelevant. The fact is he is the worst QB under pressure. All QB’s will face pressure during a game but do not handle it as poorly. Knowing this, it is up to MLF to do what he can to help. It is up to the OL to step it up. But above all, it is on Zach to deal with it better than he has been. How is it irrelevant? The job is to keep the Quarterback in a clean pocket so he can perform at the highest level. The solution can’t be to just deal with it better, even though he has to at least become average when under pressure. Luckily for us coaches don’t think that way lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew39k Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 hours ago, xrade said: Why he is under duress is irrelevant. The fact is he is the worst QB under pressure. All QB’s will face pressure during a game but do not handle it as poorly. Knowing this, it is up to MLF to do what he can to help. It is up to the OL to step it up. But above all, it is on Zach to deal with it better than he has been. Why he is under duress is very relevant. It establishes a baseline for wether he can trust his line to hold up long enough for him to go through reads. The kid runs for his life on many players because the line let's people through untouched. It's so important to let him get to a point where he can drop back and know he isn't going to get killed. You aren't wrong that every week faces pressure, but there are varying degrees of pressure. Predictable pressure is something that can be handled. Pressure from QB holding the ball too long can be coached. But unblocked pressure from everywhere...that's just disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 7 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: How is it irrelevant? The job is to keep the Quarterback in a clean pocket so he can perform at the highest level. 5 hours ago, drew39k said: Why he is under duress is very relevant Zach is the worst QB under duress. The numbers back that up. It is fact. It is up to the coaches, OL, FO, etc to minimize the frequency of which he is pressured so he can perform as the 6th best QB in a clean pocket. But even if he is pressured only once per game, he is still the worst QB under pressure. Zach alone needs to handle the pressure better. The others need to minimize it from happening. So yes, why he is being pressured has no bearing on how he handles it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doumeyer Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I agree, the next three games will tell us all we need to know about Wison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfuel34 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Did I just read this right. Zach is good when he has no pressure and is terrible when he is under pressure. Umm that is like 100% of all QB's in this league. The vast majority of the QB's in the NFL, including backuos, are good when no one is in their face. That is not a good thing at all. Also he has had the same coaches now since he has stepped in. Just face it guys he has not done the job. At some point this year he has to step up and play a full good game. I don't see this happening. What we have seen the last few games is what Zach is a running QB that has trouble hitting his points. The line is not that bad. I know they have had injuries but all these teams do. The OL is rihght in the middle of the pack. Just think when was the last time Zach hit 300 yards or even had 2 TD's in 1 game. That is not a good sign at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 QBs 100% have to learn how to play under pressure. But it's a process. And IMO he's doing the biggest stage brilliantly. The biggest part of playing under pressure isn't turning the ball over and play hero ball. And he's doing that. And eventually the poise will hit the next level. A lot of other parts in this as well. It's for starters on MLF to scheme where he's not under pressure as much. That's the biggest thing. Work in some quick passes and such. Especially early to get that rhythm going. Next is the OL being better. They need accountability as well. Yes they're getting a bit of a pass bc we're so hurt there this year, but 4/5 of them have been starters for several weeks now together. So they should be getting better and better. Next is gaining that timing and such with his receivers (including TEs and RBs). But I think they're all not on the same page as to where to go when Zach is on the move and such. Sitting down in zones when the route maybe doesn't call for that. These things don't happen overnight. It's easy to forget he's only been our starting QB the last 4 weeks after missing pretty much 6 weeks with the starters. So getting on the same page takes a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, jetfuel34 said: Zach is good when he has no pressure and is terrible when he is under pressure. Umm that is like 100% of all QB's in this league. True, but the disparity between no pressure Zach and pressured Zach is very wide. He is the worst QB under pressure and 6th best w/o pressure. If he is to be a franchise QB, he needs to play better under pressure. The team is doing everything they can, even it is not working to plan, to minimize the pressure he faces, but he still needs to play better when pressured. 32 minutes ago, jetfuel34 said: Just face it guys he has not done the job. To this point, probably not. At least not consistently enough. The question is can he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan4life51 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 SOJ let a rookie come in and beat them (blowout, dominate second half) SOJ get outclassed in GB (dominate second half) SOJ let a backup QB beat them and don’t show up to Denver (dominate second half) SOJ get embarrassed by BB and never have a 5 game win streak This is where they let Zac loose and help him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 4 hours ago, xrade said: Zach is the worst QB under duress. The numbers back that up. It is fact. It is up to the coaches, OL, FO, etc to minimize the frequency of which he is pressured so he can perform as the 6th best QB in a clean pocket. But even if he is pressured only once per game, he is still the worst QB under pressure. Zach alone needs to handle the pressure better. The others need to minimize it from happening. So yes, why he is being pressured has no bearing on how he handles it. Why he is being pressured matters though. Free rushers, for example, seem to be the biggest issue with our pass pro. If he's spending more time under pressure actually trying to escape from it rather than hit his hot read then of course his statistics are going to be poor. Of course, he should perform better under duress but the pressure rate is insane (24%), by comparison Josh Allen, the least pressured QB, is at 12.5%. (not comparing the two as players before anyone goes there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 2 hours ago, jetfuel34 said: Did I just read this right. Zach is good when he has no pressure and is terrible when he is under pressure. Umm that is like 100% of all QB's in this league. This isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 hours ago, doumeyer said: I agree, the next three games will tell us all we need to know about Wison. Lol no they wont. If he has 3 duds and then 5 amazing games guess what? Still a question mark until the consistency is there. A 3 game sample size wont prove much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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