Trojan Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 13 hours ago, HerbertGOAT said: Brees was the beneficiary of playing on turf, in a dome, with a much better HC, a better run game, and better receivers. He was the perfect "System QB" in a way. I don't know if anybody besides Brady could have performed more efficiently under Brees' circumstances. However, Rodgers was plain BETTER. Top 5 arm talent ever, if not top 2. More accurate at every level of the field besides within 10 yards of the LoS. More athletic, creative, and ballsy. If you want me to pick in a controlled, clean environment, I'll go Brees, but when talking about outdoors, need to duel with another QB, and make huge plays, Rodgers is better. Rodgers is probably my 6-7 greatest QB ever, and Brees might not be top 10. what? Wasn't prime Rodgers receivers Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones and Jordy Nelson... all on the same team for years? Who was Brees' Colston, Meachem and Devery Henderson or Lance Moore? Saints had great running game without the workhorse with Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Chris Ivory... but GB had their own versions with Ryan Grant and James Starks until Grant got injured... but they always kept the RB position talented, then when they moved on from Grant they drafted Eddie Lacy who was a bowling ball until he got fat. I wouldn't say Brees had a notably more talented RB group over the years than Rodgers. You could argue Bush was supremely talented, but he was supposed to be the chosen one at the position and was more of a good role player for his career. Aaron has a better arm and is one of the greatest ever. Brees doesn't need to be the natural greatest arm talent to be a natural talent like Rodgers. He is a natural talent in leadership and accuracy. Rodgers sat and inherited a team an ancient Favre almost took to the SB, Brees got hurt and as a FA went to a New Orleans team that was perenially awful. Brees' talent to elevate that franchise was special, and if you took him from NOLA and put him on another team I don't suspect he'd stop being successful -- his 5,000 yard seasons over and over might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Brees was definitely great. And thats it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 I saw Brees' whole career, and he was no system QB. He thrived in San Diego as well as New Orleans. His talent could have made the difference for almost any team. Peak Rodgers was a little better than him, but neither inspired much fear in the playoffs after a while. You just knew they would run into bad luck or their supporting casts would let them down, and that would be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) I don't get it. Is there premise with this question from the jump that Rodgers would thrive in any offense because of his "natural talent"? If that's the case, why wouldn't Brees? Because he seem pretty naturally talented himself... Edited October 30, 2022 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted October 30, 2022 Author Share Posted October 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: I don't get it. Is there premise with this question from the jump that Rodgers would thrive in any offense because of his "natural talent"? If that's the case, why wouldn't Brees? Because he seem pretty naturally talented himself... You've just answered your own question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: You've just answered your own question. Right...with an opinion. I didn't make the thread, so I'm asking what the original line of thinking was from OP...or you... I don't know what your definition of "natural talent" is, so I wanted clarification. Edited October 30, 2022 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: I don't get it. Is there premise with this question from the jump that Rodgers would thrive in any offense because of his "natural talent"? If that's the case, why wouldn't Brees? Because he seem pretty naturally talented himself... Brees wasn't necessarily the most physically gifted passer, but he beat you with his brain and archer level accuracy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluther Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 6:46 AM, biggie. said: I agree Rodgers is better, but to say Brees isn't a top ten all timer and is a "system QB" is the most insanely idiotic thing I have heard. It’s really not insane at all to name ten better all-time QBs than Brees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 They're both top 10 all time. But Rodgers was better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 5:18 AM, biggie. said: 2011 Rodgers was damn near unstoppable. I would mention 2011 Drew Brees was an absolute machine as well. Threw for 5,476 yards, 46 touchdowns, and a 71.2% completion percentage. He also had nearly 1,000 yards passing (928 pass yards) in just 2 playoff games that season. Also had 7 passing touchdowns in those 2 games. In other words, Brees accounted for over 6,400 yards passing in 18 games in 2011. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john305 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 7:46 AM, biggie. said: Lol, Drew Brees a "system QB". This is a guy that played at an elite level for well over a decade regardless of the talent around him and put up with legendarily bad defenses. He helped completely turn around the culture of a perennial loser. I agree Rodgers is better, but to say Brees isn't a top ten all timer and is a "system QB" is the most insanely idiotic thing I have heard. If someone wants to put Brees in their top 10 I won't argue but if some don't I don't think its crazy either. In no particular order. Manning Brady Montana Marino Rodgers Staubach Elway Young Favre Unitas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 2:09 PM, Duluther said: It’s really not insane at all to name ten better all-time QBs than Brees. Yup. Brees is a fringe top 10 imo. Off the bat you can name Brady, Manning, Unitas, Graham, Marino as 6 guys that are probably flat better based on resume. Rodgers at this point has the acolades to be placed ahead of him. So now that's seven. Are there 3 guys you can find amongst Elway, Farve, Young, Staubach, Mahomes, Starr, Tarkenton, etc that you would put over Brees? Young t o me would be an easy one. Farve would probably have to get the nod. I think Mahomes is well on a pace to pass Brees. Elway went to 5 Super Bowls and has an MVP. Starr has a ton of hardware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 5 hours ago, john305 said: If someone wants to put Brees in their top 10 I won't argue but if some don't I don't think its crazy either. In no particular order. Manning Brady Montana Marino Rodgers Staubach Elway Young Favre Unitas Brees was definitey better than Favre imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 17 hours ago, biggie. said: Brees was definitey better than Favre imo. Depends on what you want. Favre had higher highs, but his lows were crushing. I'd put Favre ahead of Brees because his 3 year run from 95-97 when adjusted for era can match up with anybody elses in history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Rodgers was also a "system QB". His "system" was chuck it deep every time you get a free shot. Occasionally just chuck it deep anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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