NFLGURU Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, packfanfb said: That stuff is typically way overblown. The Chiefs sign every clown around the league and they are a top 3 team every year. Their locker room is just fine. Your talking about an established QB Mahomes vs a first year starter in Love. Big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, NFLGURU said: Your talking about an established QB Mahomes vs a first year starter in Love. Big difference. It's not an issue either way. Love isn't a rookie either. He's a veteran in terms of NFL years even if he hasn't played much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 did anyone take rodgers comments about zach wilson.. not as tampering.. but like a permissible form of pre-talks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, HokieHigh said: did anyone take rodgers comments about zach wilson.. not as tampering.. but like a permissible form of pre-talks I don't think there was any there, there. I think he had helped the kid out when they came to camp Wilson's rookie year and was answering a question. Edited January 26, 2023 by Old Guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, packfanfb said: It's not an issue either way. Love isn't a rookie either. He's a veteran in terms of NFL years even if he hasn't played much. Lol. You should work for the NFLPA or some ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 hours ago, OzPackfan said: What also prolongs our pain is moving money in contracts of Bahktiari, Smith, Alexander, Clark in order to accommodate the extra 9m we need to take as a dead cap for Rodgers It would be an extra $24m actually, if I'm not mistaken. And those will be worth it because they will be spread out across several years. Smith, Clark and Alexander are all under contract for multiple years ahead. It saves us nothing in the end, costs us a shot at adding 2023 draft picks, and makes next year more challenging from a cap standpoint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzPackfan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sandy said: It would be an extra $24m actually, if I'm not mistaken. And those will be worth it because they will be spread out across several years. Smith, Clark and Alexander are all under contract for multiple years ahead. It saves us nothing in the end, costs us a shot at adding 2023 draft picks, and makes next year more challenging from a cap standpoint. It's 24m difference between the Pre and Post June 1 numbers but given his cap charge is currently 31m its a case of costing 9m more to do it pre June 1 and saving 15m to do it post June 1. The other factor is when is it better to have the extra picks? Are the Packers better off with it in 2023 when they can get Love another weapon or better off in 2024 when they can use the extra picks to move up in the draft for a QB if Love bombs out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, OzPackfan said: It's 24m difference between the Pre and Post June 1 numbers but given his cap charge is currently 31m its a case of costing 9m more to do it pre June 1 and saving 15m to do it post June 1. The other factor is when is it better to have the extra picks? Are the Packers better off with it in 2023 when they can get Love another weapon or better off in 2024 when they can use the extra picks to move up in the draft for a QB if Love bombs out? OTC and Spotrac is off on that actually, we're only about $1.7m over the cap right now and Rodgers is currently at roughly $18m (since his option hasn't been activated yet), but yes you're generally correct on that. In life, preparing to fail will lead to failure. Adding more assets immediately in order to help Love succeed is the play - not making a worse roster so we can move on if he fails. I believe TT was the one who said future draft picks are for future GMs. Throw in the fact that future draft picks are worth a round lower than the year prior, and it's clear what the right answer is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 hours ago, OzPackfan said: If you do a max restructure of Bahktiari's contract then he is on the books for 41m in 2024 and even if he is then still released he carries nearly 19m in dead cap charges Bahktiari would be around $15.5M in this situation 3 hours ago, OzPackfan said: Same with Jones, a max restructure puts his dead cap charges should he be released in 2024 at over 17m Jones would have a dead cap of around $16M in this situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzPackfan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sandy said: OTC and Spotrac is off on that actually, we're only about $1.7m over the cap right now and Rodgers is currently at roughly $18m (since his option hasn't been activated yet), but yes you're generally correct on that. In life, preparing to fail will lead to failure. Adding more assets immediately in order to help Love succeed is the play - not making a worse roster so we can move on if he fails. I believe TT was the one who said future draft picks are for future GMs. Throw in the fact that future draft picks are worth a round lower than the year prior, and it's clear what the right answer is. All comes down to how you use the resources and it will be interesting to see which way Gute goes. Save the cash this year and you might be able to get another WR in free agency to compliment Watson and Doubs plus some pieces for the defence. Go the draft options and you are going to need rookies to step in immediately and contribute which lets be honest doesnt seem to happen in GB that often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzPackfan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 1 minute ago, squire12 said: Bahktiari would be around $15.5M in this situation Jones would have a dead cap of around $16M in this situation Thats still 31.5m of dead cap charges compared to 24m of Rodgers I can see the merit in both options so its going to be very interesting to see which way the team goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Just now, OzPackfan said: Thats still 31.5m of dead cap charges compared to 24m of Rodgers if you are cutting Bahktiari and Jones after 2023, the dead cap for them is ($11.5M + $5.5M) and you are also spending nearly $18M more in 2023 by not restructuring them. So... I am not sure you are coming out ahead in that situation Just now, OzPackfan said: I can see the merit in both options so its going to be very interesting to see which way the team goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzPackfan Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: if you are cutting Bahktiari and Jones after 2023, the dead cap for them is ($11.5M + $5.5M) and you are also spending nearly $18M more in 2023 by not restructuring them. So... I am not sure you are coming out ahead in that situation Thats if you are cutting them after this season and not restructuring their contracts this year to free up cap room which you need to do to accomodate Rodgers dead cap charge of 40m. Given Bahktiari has only 1 year left after this year, any money you push out for him gets split equally between this year and next year (unless you add void years which means more goes into next year if you cut him. Jones has 2 void years already on his deal so any money pushed back this year, 75% plus the money from the void years (currently 1.52m) all goes into next year. The 18m dead cap charges for them next year will increase very quickly if they are restructured in order to get under the cap by the new league year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, OzPackfan said: Thats if you are cutting them after this season and not restructuring their contracts this year to free up cap room which you need to do to accomodate Rodgers dead cap charge of 40m. I am not following what you are saying here. 13 minutes ago, OzPackfan said: Given Bahktiari has only 1 year left after this year, any money you push out for him gets split equally between this year and next year (unless you add void years which means more goes into next year if you cut him. this is correct. If you keep bahktiari on his current contract structure for 2023 cap hit is $28.8M 2024 cap hit is $33.1M so a total of $61.9M If you restructure his contract it becomes 2023 cap hit is $24.9M 2024 cap hit is $37.0M so a total of $61.9 the total money spent doesn't change over the 2 years. if you cut him after 2023 (before the 2024 season) it is a bigger dead cap hit but only by the same amount of money that you saved in doing the restructure 13 minutes ago, OzPackfan said: Jones has 2 void years already on his deal so any money pushed back this year, 75% plus the money from the void years (currently 1.52m) all goes into next year. again, the same process for Bahktiari also applies 13 minutes ago, OzPackfan said: The 18m dead cap charges for them next year will increase very quickly if they are restructured in order to get under the cap by the new league year. GB needs to get under the cap by some restructures/trades/cut of players. if you have a plan to make this happen, it would be a good time to put that forth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, squire12 said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/transactions/green-bay-packers/signed-extension/ Rodgers extension was March 8th https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/transactions/denver-broncos/trade/ Wilson to Denver trade March 16th Wrong. The 16th is the day it became official. https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2022/03/08/russell-wilson-trade-details-broncos-trade-drew-lock-noah-fant-seahawks @CWood21… The same ****ing day. Edited January 27, 2023 by Outpost31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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