DM316 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 12/10/2022 at 11:38 AM, tyler735 said: Replacing Mariota with a guy who many compared to Mariota during the draft process Mobile QB's are generically lumped together. I'd liken his play style more to Tannehill, and if he's that as a 3rd rounder I'm fine with it. Both can hurt you on the ground, MM quicker to take off and run or leave a clean pocket. Ridder more to extend plays. Less designed QB runs and more RPO's I'm guessing is what it will look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, DM316 said: Mobile QB's are generically lumped together. I'd liken his play style more to Tannehill, and if he's that as a 3rd rounder I'm fine with it. Both can hurt you on the ground, MM quicker to take off and run or leave a clean pocket. Ridder more to extend plays. Less designed QB runs and more RPO's I'm guessing is what it will look like. While that can be the case sometimes, I agree with the reports I've seen that Ridder resembles Mariota. They aren't too far off in terms of size/athleticism/arm talent. Mariota 6'4" 220lbs ran a 4.52 in the 40 Ridder 6'3" 210lbs ran a 4.52 in the 40 Both played in offenses that limited their reads and as prospects many called into question their ability to effectively get through their progressions. Neither of them possess a "cannon" for an arm. Both attempt to make plays with their feet at a fairly similar rate, but Mariota was a bit more effective in terms of efficiency as a runner. Both had struggled at times within the pocket holding onto the ball too long/taking unnecessary sacks. In other words, it's a perfectly fine comparison between Ridder and Mariota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM316 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 37 minutes ago, tyler735 said: While that can be the case sometimes, I agree with the reports I've seen that Ridder resembles Mariota. They aren't too far off in terms of size/athleticism/arm talent. Mariota 6'4" 220lbs ran a 4.52 in the 40 Ridder 6'3" 210lbs ran a 4.52 in the 40 Both played in offenses that limited their reads and as prospects many called into question their ability to effectively get through their progressions. Neither of them possess a "cannon" for an arm. Both attempt to make plays with their feet at a fairly similar rate, but Mariota was a bit more effective in terms of efficiency as a runner. Both had struggled at times within the pocket holding onto the ball too long/taking unnecessary sacks. In other words, it's a perfectly fine comparison between Ridder and Mariota. Just off of limited preseason snaps, he's already shown more willingness to stand in the pocket and deliver vs breaking a clean pocket. So again, you're going off of measurables (which are similar) vs play style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DM316 said: Just off of limited preseason snaps, he's already shown more willingness to stand in the pocket and deliver vs breaking a clean pocket. So again, you're going off of measurables (which are similar) vs play style. No. Going against a team using vanilla concepts in pre-season does nothing to change that perception of Ridder's pocket presence. Lets see how he does in these upcoming games. Would be a real indicator if he has actually progressed in that area or not. They had very similar measurables and tendencies as players. If he's developed since then as a rookie with NFL coaching that's great (I have my doubts), but Mariota was a perfectly fine comparison for Ridder. Edited December 13, 2022 by tyler735 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49ersfan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/13/after-benching-marcus-mariota-leaves-falcons/ Quote Falcons quarterback Marcus Mariota is out. Literally. After being benched for rookie Desmond Ridder for performance reasons, Mariota has left the team. And the team doesn’t know if he’ll be back. Coach Arthur Smith has said Mariota will be placed on injured reserve. The minimum four-game absence would knock him out for the rest of the regular season. Via Josh Kendall of TheAthletic.com, Smith said Tuesday that Mariota is currently not with the Falcons. Doesn't seem like the best reaction to being benched.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 hours ago, 49ersfan said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/13/after-benching-marcus-mariota-leaves-falcons/ Doesn't seem like the best reaction to being benched.. Ryan Tannehill could teach him a thing or two about mentoring a rookie qb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 4 hours ago, 49ersfan said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/13/after-benching-marcus-mariota-leaves-falcons/ Doesn't seem like the best reaction to being benched.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukjets21 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 5 hours ago, 49ersfan said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/13/after-benching-marcus-mariota-leaves-falcons/ Doesn't seem like the best reaction to being benched.. And there goes his career (unless there's a good explanation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 If his performance this season didn’t ruin future shots at a starting gig, then this probably did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM316 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 On 12/13/2022 at 12:23 PM, tyler735 said: No. Going against a team using vanilla concepts in pre-season does nothing to change that perception of Ridder's pocket presence. Lets see how he does in these upcoming games. Would be a real indicator if he has actually progressed in that area or not. They had very similar measurables and tendencies as players. If he's developed since then as a rookie with NFL coaching that's great (I have my doubts), but Mariota was a perfectly fine comparison for Ridder. You keep doubling down on blanket statements without watching games is comical "vanilla concepts". Detroit wasn't blitzing. He wasn't changing protections. None of that happened. Not on tape or anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/13/2022 at 10:19 PM, Ty21 said: Ryan Tannehill could teach him a thing or two about mentoring a rookie qb Tannehill is a true professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: If his performance this season didn’t ruin future shots at a starting gig, then this probably did. Unless there's a damn good explanation, I'd wager this just about ends his chances at being a backup, too. Need someone reliable in that role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskieTitan Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 11 hours ago, TheKillerNacho said: Tannehill is a true professional. Professional tank job in the playoffs for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Such a weird narrative being pushed. Mariota just had his firstborn this week - that’s why he’s out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler735 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 21 hours ago, DM316 said: You keep doubling down on blanket statements without watching games is comical "vanilla concepts". Detroit wasn't blitzing. He wasn't changing protections. None of that happened. Not on tape or anything. I find it comical you are using preseason to gauge such things about his tendencies as player. I mean if that’s what we are doing then it would not make sense to claim Ridder doesn’t look to run as quick as Mariota considering they both played in all 3 preseason games yet Ridder ran 8 times compared to Mariota running just 3 times in those 3 games. But hey don’t let facts get in the way. I already noted they ran at a fairly similar rate in college as well. I’m sure these preseason games are a great barometer playing against 2nd/3rd string players in glorified scrimmages. Ridder most certainly won’t be under more pressure this weekend in a real game against actual starters. It’s not like a person could go back and watch every completion and run that Ridder had against the Lions in preseason and note that he still struggles to get past his first read before taking off from the pocket or that he had only 1-2 completions in said game where he actually completed a pass that wasn’t to his first read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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