Broncofan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Forge said: I'm rooting for Fangio all the way for 49ers. Excellent guy, will get the most out of many of your players. He's a little less aggressive on getting TO's (Evero preaches attacking the ball, Fangio was about making the tackle, and Fangio plays a lot of zone to confuse the QB, and generate incompletions, more than the attack style you see), but he's also likely going to upgrade your SF zone D a ton. The fact that Fangio going to SF and thus making it more likely Evero stays in DEN for 2023 (Fangio returning to DEN as DC under Payton would be mega awkward), and then gives us those sweet comp picks if he goes in 2024, has nothing to do with the above analysis...but it doesn't hurt it, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Re: last 2 positions, ARI would be crazy IMO if they hired Vance Joseph as HC. Same for Aaron Glenn. The CIN coordinators, or Morris would be far better candidates, by a wide margin. As for IND, I don't know how they get decently qualified coordinators if it's Saturday. Steichen must have really been a bad interview to lose CAR's interest, but he would be the #1 guy to develop the next QB they draft - and frankly, even if that's all he does, it might be enough to justify the hire. Very rare that the HC who gets the rebuild QB sticks around long enough to see the success. Morris or anyone else they've interviewed has to be better than Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Forge said: So, Chris Harris - the former Broncos CB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, ET80 said: So, Chris Harris - the former Broncos CB? Different one. Played DB for the Bears, I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Forge said: Different one. Played DB for the Bears, I believe. I remember him as a player because of that insane year he had in Carolina when he forced a ton of fumbles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 Just now, jrry32 said: I remember him as a player because of that insane year he had in Carolina when he forced a ton of fumbles. Yep, he forced like 7 or 8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Broncofan said: Re: last 2 positions, ARI would be crazy IMO if they hired Vance Joseph as HC. Same for Aaron Glenn. The CIN coordinators, or Morris would be far better candidates, by a wide margin. As for IND, I don't know how they get decently qualified coordinators if it's Saturday. Steichen must have really been a bad interview to lose CAR's interest, but he would be the #1 guy to develop the next QB they draft - and frankly, even if that's all he does, it might be enough to justify the hire. Very rare that the HC who gets the rebuild QB sticks around long enough to see the success. Morris or anyone else they've interviewed has to be better than Saturday. Lou Anarumo I assume will be the Cardinals head coach, that or Brian Flores. No clue who the Colts will bring in if Jeff Saturday was brought in already, clearly they do not have great judgement and it is just what the owner wants. Vikings DC job no idea, I think ideally they would get Flores or Desai but both might be gone pretty quickly here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Lou Anarumo I assume will be the Cardinals head coach, that or Brian Flores. No clue who the Colts will bring in if Jeff Saturday was brought in already, clearly they do not have great judgement and it is just what the owner wants. Vikings DC job no idea, I think ideally they would get Flores or Desai but both might be gone pretty quickly here. I've been of the mind that IND was tanking hard to finish as low as possible to get a QB, and Saturday went along with the plan, so they're just having a dog and pony (literally) show just to give Saturday some PR credibility for future hires, as a solid for him taking the brunt of the PR flak that comes with a FO tank job (players and other coaches never would try to tank, just the FO, and in this case, their patsy hire). But if the Colts actually hire Saturday...that org is just lost, as it means the owner is literally overruling on football decisions. We know how that goes. Edited February 1, 2023 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, Broncofan said: I've been of the mind that IND was tanking hard to finish as low as possible to get a QB, and Saturday went along with the plan, so they're just having a dog and pony (literally) show just to give Saturday some PR credibility for future hires, as a solid for him taking the brunt of the PR flak that comes with a FO tank job (players and other coaches never would try to tank, just the FO, and in this case, their patsy hire). But if the Colts actually hire Saturday...that org is just lost, as it means the owner is literally overruling on football decisions. We know how that goes. If they hire Saturday it's pretty safe to assume that Irsay wants to tank for Caleb Williams like he did for Elway, Manning, and Luck. Might also be why Ballard still has a job; he'll need a fall guy for the "disaster" next season will be if this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jonnguy2015 said: If they hire Saturday it's pretty safe to assume that Irsay wants to tank for Caleb Williams like he did for Elway, Manning, and Luck. Might also be why Ballard still has a job; he'll need a fall guy for the "disaster" next season will be if this happens Honestly, there's no guarantee that you'll get 1.1. Trade up to 1.1 and get your guy now (unless you are completely sold no one is there). The problem with a Saturday hire is that everyone, including the players & other coaches, know he's incompetent at this stage. He might have been OK with some experience, but he's in over his head, and it's too far gone now. It would have been like if DEN decided Hackett needed a 2nd year. The damage you do to your org is massive and not easily repaired quickly. It's one thing to have a team be awful, and then the FO decides to pack it in for that year. Or for a FO to make a massive mistake in who they hire. To deliberately torch a year with the HC hire, it's an awful message. That's how you drive away fans, and destroy the org's ability to hire / retain talent down the line. Edited February 1, 2023 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Broncofan said: Honestly, there's no guarantee that you'll get 1.1. Trade up to 1.1 and get your guy now (unless you are completely sold no one is there). The problem with a Saturday hire is that everyone, including the players & other coaches, know he's incompetent at this stage. He might have been OK with some experience, but he's in over his head, and it's too far gone now. It would have been like if DEN decided Hackett needed a 2nd year. The damage you do to your org i It's one thing to have a team be awful, and then the FO decides to pack it in for that year. Or for a FO to make a massive mistake in who they hire. To deliberately torch a year with the HC hire, it's an awful message. That's how you drive away fans, and destroy the org's ability to hire / retain talent down the line. Oh I agree, I never said it was a good plan but it seems to fit within Irsay's MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, jonnguy2015 said: If they hire Saturday it's pretty safe to assume that Irsay wants to tank for Caleb Williams like he did for Elway, Manning, and Luck. Might also be why Ballard still has a job; he'll need a fall guy for the "disaster" next season will be if this happens Drake Maye is right there with Caleb Williams for next years QB class. And if that is the case what do they do in this draft, trade the pick because they will get Bryce Young or more likely CJ Stroud at that 4th pick. Will Anderson Jr Alabama JR DE/OLB Bryce Young Alabama JR QB Jalen Carter Georgia JR DT CJ Stroud Ohio State RS SOPH QB Unless someone gets hurt or times poorly, these are the first four players selected in the draft, order might change but these guys are going most likely so what the Colts do not take Stroud then? Trade they pick I guess. Saturday did not do well but to that teams credit they did almost beat Phili 17-16 final score in his first game, almost beat Pitts burgh 24-17 in his 2nd game, should have easily beat Minnesota and should have beat Houston in that last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyld Stallyns Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Broncofan said: Re: last 2 positions, ARI would be crazy IMO if they hired Vance Joseph as HC. Same for Aaron Glenn. The CIN coordinators, or Morris would be far better candidates, by a wide margin. As for IND, I don't know how they get decently qualified coordinators if it's Saturday. Steichen must have really been a bad interview to lose CAR's interest, but he would be the #1 guy to develop the next QB they draft - and frankly, even if that's all he does, it might be enough to justify the hire. Very rare that the HC who gets the rebuild QB sticks around long enough to see the success. Morris or anyone else they've interviewed has to be better than Saturday. One of the Colts podcasts I listened to was speaking on the HC search and potential QBs in the draft and they suggested that for every HC they could hire CJ Stroud would be the ideal QB, except for Mike Kafka it would be Will Levis. They compare him to Daniel Jones as a prospect and think Kafka’s impact on Jones this year could work better with Levis then Stroud or Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber11 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Everyone’s hunch in Arizona is that Brian Flores is the leader in the clubhouse but we keep interviewing candidates in hopes they knock our socks off. A couple staff members have taken new jobs so I doubt it’s Vance Joseph. There’s some buzz around Lou Anarumo. This has been an exhausting coaching search given we’ve wasted time with candidates like Aaron Glenn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Unless ARI or IND hire him as HC seems more likely Evero stays as DC in DEN. Good hire by MIA - that D underperformed to the talent they had. I wonder if Byron Jones is out given Fangio uses zone so much. And if Howard on trade block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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