Ravens place tag on QB Lamar Jackson; Jackson requests trade (Page 52)

[MWil23]

1 hour ago, Ray Reed said:

 

Man, hard to have seen that type of thought process play out 5 years ago… 😏 

[malibuspeedrace]

19 hours ago, Thomas5737 said:

And we all know the most important thing is how you start and not how you finish. Which was 7 TD and 5 INT the final 8+ games.

 

He did also have 1 rushing TD

He simply saw how much trouble Watson got in for his finishing strongly, and decided to go down a different path.

[JaguarCrazy2832]

I love that Lamar sends a tweet to his fans not to believe everything they read...that his fans have to read...lol

Sounds like I cant trust the tweet Lamar, just saying

[DevilsAdvocate]

Lamar is looking like the new Kap. He's pissed off the owners and looks like he's being black balled. I wonder if he even plays for the Ravens if no one trades for him. 

Good chance he refuses to report to camp, imo. Might even sit out the season.

Edited March 29, 2023 by DevilsAdvocate

[Xmad]

7 minutes ago, DevilsAdvocate said:

Lamar is looking like the new Kap. He's pissed off the owners and looks like he's being black balled. I wonder if he even plays for the Ravens if no one trades for him. 

Good chance he refuses to report to camp, imo. Might even sit out the season.

Yeah he's playing this year since he needs to play well to earn a contract from either the ravens or insert trade team here.

The rest of that is pure nonsense.

[BroncoSojia]

8 minutes ago, DevilsAdvocate said:

Lamar is looking like the new Kap. He's pissed off the owners and looks like he's being black balled. I wonder if he even plays for the Ravens if no one trades for him. 

Good chance he refuses to report to camp, imo. Might even sit out the season.

It does Kap a disservice for Lamar to be compared to him. IMO, if he goes down on his guarantees I'm pretty sure teams would be interested.

[warfelg]

I have a whole thought/theory on this:

Baltimore put the league and other owners in a bad place - but Lamar’s lack of wanting an agent caused it along with the Browns impatience and Texans poor business management. 
 

Back when Josh Allen signed his contract, it was before the Watson thing. Baltimore should have done the standard thing and offer a similar structured contract with a bit more overall and a bit more guaranteed. If they did that then this wouldn’t have happened. But they wanted to give it another year. 
 

Well then you have the whole Watson thing go down. The bad, him wanting out, and the Texans letting him shop himself like a FA. In most cases of a player wanting you the team would field offers, narrow down what they like, then have the player talk to those few teams. Instead Houston let Watson manage that himself. 
 

So at this point your leaders in the club house were 3 teams without QBs. But then the Browns public ally jump in. In the process they piss off their QB. Now forget what you think about Baker - they alienated their starting QB by so public ally chasing another one. Watson tells Cleveland no, and Baker wants out. It makes the Browns desperate.

So they do the one thing no other team will do. The fully guarantee the contract. Because it’s better to do that than have no QB based on how they handled the situation and the lack of quality in the draft. 
 

So Lamar, kinda rightfully, looks across the division and gets pissed. This guy was just as injured at Lamar, had the legal trouble, and gets all the money. Lamar wants that. But the failure to have an agent leaves out what happens behind the scenes on why it happened. 
 

So now you got player without representation, lack of context within the league, and a bunch of ticked off owners that an unspeakable line was crossed. And for a guy with a questionable history none the less. 
 

So you get this situation coming to a head. Baltimore decides they are going to use the non-exclusive tag on Lamar. They figure since Lamar doesn’t have an agent they’ll let other teams be his agent and create a contract for them. 
 

But because of what he wants, along with the cost of trading for him, and the lack of representation for Lamar; teams just aren’t interested. Why go through the time, pain, the PR, the hit to cap space; all of that just for Baltimore to say thanks?

But what it created was a bad look for the NFL. Teams are negotiating with Lamar or Baltimore; they are just paying a price both sides set. On top of that the routes to get in touch with Lamar is very limited. 
 

Personally I think that Baltimore should have exclusively tagged him. If you are a team that wants to try to trade and sign him there’s a clear path to contact him. You have the ability to talk about the overall price (contract and picks) with both parties. And you don’t have to worry about Baltimore using you as an agent. 
 

I argued that Lamar could blow this all up by signing the tag, requesting a trade, and holding out if it doesn’t happen. Now prices aren’t set across the board. But you need an agent who can get the back channels word that a team is interest but won’t give up 2 1sts, a team willing to pay you if they know you will be theirs if you agree, someone who can collect the waters of offers. 
 

I think this is going to end with Lamar holding out because there’s very little that’s going to budge with the situation set up the way it is. 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

1 hour ago, DevilsAdvocate said:

Lamar is looking like the new Kap. He's pissed off the owners and looks like he's being black balled. I wonder if he even plays for the Ravens if no one trades for him. 

Good chance he refuses to report to camp, imo. Might even sit out the season.

This is such a bad comparison.

Kaepernick was absolutely black balled by the NFL after his protests.

Lamar is refusing to sign any contract that isn't a fully GTD record-setting deal. I'm sure you can see the difference there.

[squire12]

40 minutes ago, warfelg said:

I have a whole thought/theory on this:

Baltimore put the league and other owners in a bad place - but Lamar’s lack of wanting an agent caused it along with the Browns impatience and Texans poor business management. 
 

Back when Josh Allen signed his contract, it was before the Watson thing. Baltimore should have done the standard thing and offer a similar structured contract with a bit more overall and a bit more guaranteed. If they did that then this wouldn’t have happened. But they wanted to give it another year. 
 

Well then you have the whole Watson thing go down. The bad, him wanting out, and the Texans letting him shop himself like a FA. In most cases of a player wanting you the team would field offers, narrow down what they like, then have the player talk to those few teams. Instead Houston let Watson manage that himself. 
 

So at this point your leaders in the club house were 3 teams without QBs. But then the Browns public ally jump in. In the process they piss off their QB. Now forget what you think about Baker - they alienated their starting QB by so public ally chasing another one. Watson tells Cleveland no, and Baker wants out. It makes the Browns desperate.

So they do the one thing no other team will do. The fully guarantee the contract. Because it’s better to do that than have no QB based on how they handled the situation and the lack of quality in the draft. 
 

So Lamar, kinda rightfully, looks across the division and gets pissed. This guy was just as injured at Lamar, had the legal trouble, and gets all the money. Lamar wants that. But the failure to have an agent leaves out what happens behind the scenes on why it happened. 
 

So now you got player without representation, lack of context within the league, and a bunch of ticked off owners that an unspeakable line was crossed. And for a guy with a questionable history none the less. 
 

So you get this situation coming to a head. Baltimore decides they are going to use the non-exclusive tag on Lamar. They figure since Lamar doesn’t have an agent they’ll let other teams be his agent and create a contract for them. 
 

But because of what he wants, along with the cost of trading for him, and the lack of representation for Lamar; teams just aren’t interested. Why go through the time, pain, the PR, the hit to cap space; all of that just for Baltimore to say thanks?

But what it created was a bad look for the NFL. Teams are negotiating with Lamar or Baltimore; they are just paying a price both sides set. On top of that the routes to get in touch with Lamar is very limited. 
 

Personally I think that Baltimore should have exclusively tagged him. If you are a team that wants to try to trade and sign him there’s a clear path to contact him. You have the ability to talk about the overall price (contract and picks) with both parties. And you don’t have to worry about Baltimore using you as an agent. 
 

I argued that Lamar could blow this all up by signing the tag, requesting a trade, and holding out if it doesn’t happen. Now prices aren’t set across the board. But you need an agent who can get the back channels word that a team is interest but won’t give up 2 1sts, a team willing to pay you if they know you will be theirs if you agree, someone who can collect the waters of offers. 
 

I think this is going to end with Lamar holding out because there’s very little that’s going to budge with the situation set up the way it is. 

So Lamar signs the tag. 

1. Then does he sit/ holds out TC? At some point he needs to report to get the accrued season.

2.  Does he "fake" an injury? 

 

Baltimore likely fines him whatever is allowed if he sits/ holds out.  Not sure what the sum of that would amount to.

How does "faking" an injury get viewed by other teams in his contract interest?

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Fascinating times as this plays out

[AngusMcFife]

45 minutes ago, warfelg said:

Back when Josh Allen signed his contract, it was before the Watson thing. Baltimore should have done the standard thing and offer a similar structured contract with a bit more overall and a bit more guaranteed. If they did that then this wouldn’t have happened. But they wanted to give it another year. 

Overall your analysis is good, but one issue here. Lamar refused to engage in contract negotiations after year 3, so there really wasn't anything the Ravens front office could do at that point (after Allen signed, but before Watson signed the next year). 

[AFlaccoSeagulls]

3 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said:

Overall your analysis is good, but one issue here. Lamar refused to engage in contract negotiations after year 3, so there really wasn't anything the Ravens front office could do at that point (after Allen signed, but before Watson signed the next year). 

Yeah that's absolutely hindsight to say that the Ravens should have done that. Of course they should have. They tried. Lamar refused.

[warfelg]

6 minutes ago, squire12 said:

So Lamar signs the tag. 

1. Then does he sit/ holds out TC? At some point he needs to report to get the accrued season.

2.  Does he "fake" an injury? 

 

Baltimore likely fines him whatever is allowed if he sits/ holds out.  Not sure what the sum of that would amount to.

How does "faking" an injury get viewed by other teams in his contract interest?

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Fascinating times as this plays out

LeVeon held out all year and it counted as the season. Just didn’t get any money. 

[BetterCallSaul]

1 hour ago, DevilsAdvocate said:

Lamar is looking like the new Kap. He's pissed off the owners and looks like he's being black balled. I wonder if he even plays for the Ravens if no one trades for him. 

Good chance he refuses to report to camp, imo. Might even sit out the season.

LOL

 

Why would the owners blackball him? And people are so dumb. If anyone was going to get black balled, it would've been Deshaun Watson. Can we stop with this ridiculous narrative?

[BetterCallSaul]

16 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Kaepernick was absolutely black balled by the NFL after his protests.

What's your definition of black balled?

I think if Cam Newton had taken a knee, nothing would've happened. Kaep sucked. He was worth sticking on a roster probably, but he was allegedly demanding a starter-type contract. On top of that, why would a team want the circus to come to town with Kaep? If he were good enough, he'd be on a team. Deshaun Watson embarassed the league far worse and he had plenty of suitors. He wasn't worth the money he was seeking, nor the headache that would have come along with him. I highly doubt there was collusion to run him out of the league. The same wouldn't have happened to a more talented player.

[Nabbs4u]

18 minutes ago, squire12 said:

So Lamar signs the tag. 

1. Then does he sit/ holds out TC? At some point he needs to report to get the accrued season.

2.  Does he "fake" an injury? 

 

Baltimore likely fines him whatever is allowed if he sits/ holds out.  Not sure what the sum of that would amount to.

How does "faking" an injury get viewed by other teams in his contract interest?

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Fascinating times as this plays out

Didn't stop the 49ers from trading for Trent Williams? The Rams trading for Jalen Ramsey? The Dolphins trading for Jalen Ramsey after that. 

Him sitting out which is exactly what he should of done last year as well won't factor in the slightest with him signing with another team in 2024.

Only this ridiculous idea of a fully guaranteed contract.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Nabbs4u