Hunter2_1 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Sometimes they off load good players but bad contracts. It’s like hot potato for them or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stl4life07 Posted March 14, 2023 Author Share Posted March 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Dolphins guaranteed 2(?) full years of his contract, which is why his price went lower in terms of value. There's more to these trades than just the picks these teams get back. They are offloading contracts to get cap space, so if another team agrees to take on that contract, the team selling the player will lower the price as compensation. It's just that nobody pays attention to that stuff and all they see if "Jalen Ramsey traded for a 3rd round pick" I agree. The Rams limited their own value bc they wanted to trade Ramsey to the AFC while getting his contract completely off the books. There were more NFC teams interested and probably would’ve gave the Rams a better deal but the Rams wanted to send him to the AFC and the Dolphins probably was the only team over there that would’ve taken on his contract fully so the Rams just got a pick and a player which they wanted in theory even though they wish they could’ve gotten a better pick and a better player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) This might be wrong- But just because there’s a cap, doesn’t mean owners want to actually spend the maximum amount of money they can. It would be like if the MLB had a salary cap. The smaller market teams still wouldn’t spend money. I know he’s a low hanging fruit but Mike Brown is an obvious example. Some owners simply can’t pay guys and have to sell them for 60 cents on the dollar. Edited March 14, 2023 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, candyman93 said: This might be wrong- But just because there’s a cap, doesn’t mean owners want to actually spend the maximum amount of money they can. 100%. I'm sure most teams operate with some sort of a real cash budget for the year, and GMs certainly don't just go HAM after big money / ticket players. They have to get permission from ownership to add that type of stuff. Like, when the niners traded from 12 to 3 to draft Lance, they had to go to Jed and make sure that was okay because of the difference in salary for that year between the #12 and #3 pick. I'm not sure how much of an issue it presents for most teams, but there are definitely some where it's a real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 4 hours ago, stl4life07 said: Ramsey got traded for a 3rd round pick and a backup tight end. We know Ramsey is a top 3 corner so no way his value is this. Waller just got traded for a 3rd round pick. Waller is one of the top tight ends in the NFL. Definitely one of the most talented tight ends in the NFL. Go back to last season when Cooper got traded for a 5th round pick. Another talented receiver in the NFL. Was a huge reason for the development of Dak and you can say is a big reason Dak got paid. I just want to know to us fans over value players when it comes to trades or do we just think organizations just settle for value less than just to move them? Like we know certain organizations don’t know what they are doing so they get fleeced. But at the same time we know some great organizations who know what they are doing still get less value for talent and great players that have us fans questioning why couldn’t they get more? But there are issues with those players that caused their value to be low/lower than perceived. Cooper had a bad contract/play declined a bit, Ramsey contract issues/play declined a bit, Waller has health concerns he has probably played a handful of games in the year since he got the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 An interesting case is Lamar Jackson. The ravens don't seem to value him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 5 hours ago, stl4life07 said: Ramsey got traded for a 3rd round pick and a backup tight end. We know Ramsey is a top 3 corner so no way his value is this. Waller just got traded for a 3rd round pick. Waller is one of the top tight ends in the NFL. Definitely one of the most talented tight ends in the NFL. Go back to last season when Cooper got traded for a 5th round pick. Another talented receiver in the NFL. Was a huge reason for the development of Dak and you can say is a big reason Dak got paid. I just want to know to us fans over value players when it comes to trades or do we just think organizations just settle for value less than just to move them? Like we know certain organizations don’t know what they are doing so they get fleeced. But at the same time we know some great organizations who know what they are doing still get less value for talent and great players that have us fans questioning why couldn’t they get more? The value is contract and player, not just the player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Contract + player + need + fit + evaluation of talent already on team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 On 3/14/2023 at 4:45 PM, Kiwibrown said: An interesting case is Lamar Jackson. The ravens don't seem to value him They offered him a 3 yr/$133M fully guaranteed deal, they value him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howler Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 On 3/14/2023 at 7:45 PM, Kiwibrown said: An interesting case is Lamar Jackson. The ravens don't seem to value him He's a dual threat QB who's injury prone. That's the primary problem. Do you commit to a qb who may not be on the field for stretches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Howler said: He's a dual threat QB who's injury prone. That's the primary problem. Do you commit to a qb who may not be on the field for stretches? 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: They offered him a 3 yr/$133M fully guaranteed deal, they value him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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