Jordan Love Appreciation Thread

[coachbuns]

4 hours ago, GHARMON9 said:

This is some top tier hating. 

AR15, a rookie known to be raw versus a 4th year player.

Yet he has a higher completion rating than Love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Things must be slow this week to have such an "argument" Love vs Richardson.  Really slow.

[Pugger]

17 hours ago, HighCalebR said:

I'd say Love is accurate but imprecise.  Where Richardson is just inaccurate. Both can drop absolute seeds but I don't see Love having the WTF misses Richardson does.. 

 

Love's accuracy goes to hell when his footwork is messed up.  Hopefully Clements can fix that.

[Leader]

23 minutes ago, Pugger said:

Love's accuracy goes to hell when his footwork is messed up.  Hopefully Clements can fix that.

I think Clements can fix that.....after we fix the OL. In order to get a good read on Love's skills....we've gotta keep him clean. Nothing ruins an inexperienced QB faster than a leaky OL - or one that cant open running holes.

[thrILL!]

3 hours ago, Pugger said:

Love's accuracy goes to hell when his footwork is messed up.  Hopefully Clements can fix that.

I wonder if he switched cleats at halftime vs the Saints bcuz of the grass.  He slipped multiple times in the first half but had better footwork and threw his best passes in the 2nd half.

[{Family Ghost}]

3 hours ago, Leader said:

I think Clements can fix that.....after we fix the OL. In order to get a good read on Love's skills....we've gotta keep him clean. Nothing ruins an inexperienced QB faster than a leaky OL - or one that cant open running holes.

Yeah, I think he's in pretty good hands with LaFleur/Clements.  As long as they can get a solid line in front of him I think we will see a lot of growth this season.  2024 is when it all comes together. 

[LLcheesehead12]

12 hours ago, GHARMON9 said:

This is some top tier hating. 

AR15, a rookie known to be raw versus a 4th year player.

Yet he has a higher completion rating than Love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People need to stop putting emphasis on bench time though and making it sound like Love being now starting his 4th year is as meaningful when it's only his 1st as a starter.

Or maybe better put, no one can ever gain experience or turn into anything by riding the bench as a backup for any years, you gain nothing until you're put in the game.  So, in that regard Love is as green as any rookie QB starting this year.

Next QB we draft should not spend any years on the bench period!

[Zycho32]

4 minutes ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

 

People need to stop putting emphasis on bench time though and making it sound like Love being now starting his 4th year is as meaningful when it's only his 1st as a starter.

Or maybe better put, no one can ever gain experience or turn into anything by riding the bench as a backup for any years, you gain nothing until you're put in the game.  So, in that regard Love is as green as any rookie QB starting this year.

Next QB we draft should not spend any years on the bench period!

I think our prior guy is responsible for that line of thinking, don't you agree?

[LLcheesehead12]

1 hour ago, Zycho32 said:

I think our prior guy is responsible for that line of thinking, don't you agree?

No, that's the freaking problem is people just look solely to Aaron Rodgers and the fact that he sat on the bench 3 years as some kind of silly end all argument to why it should be used.  They ignore the thousands of failures going on with QBs who are riding or rode the bench in the past and are stinking way worse than guys thrown into the mix immediately.

We got a whole league littered with guys like these who followed or are following the Rodgers love path and they all are garbage:

1. Kyle Trask:  super high draft pick bench developer for years now behind Brady and it's done nothing as the Bucs had to go after Mayfield, and he's awful in preseason so far

2. Jared Stidham:  supposed to be a big huge Drew Brees and Rodgers level guy, rode the bench forever, a big fat nothing

3. Tyrod Taylor:  Another high pick also rode the bench forever - BUST

4. Ryan Mallet:  Big high whomping drafted QB following the Love Rodgers trajectory - BUST

5. Landry Jones: bench bust

 

If the bench state worked as good as some seem to think, ever single one of those guys would be superstar QBs today

 

Meantime, we got so many QBs who didn't need any bench to develop on and did just fine like:

1. Josh Allen

2. Matt Ryan

3. Justin Herbert

4. Joe Burrow

5. Matt Stafford

6. Ben Rothlisberger

7. Dak Prescott

8. Russell Wilson (before 2021)

 

And then guys like Zach Wilson, Kyler Murray, Tua, not so good maybe but I guarantee bench time for them would make no difference, absolutely none.

[squire12]

25 minutes ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

No, that's the freaking problem is people just look solely to Aaron Rodgers and the fact that he sat on the bench 3 years as some kind of silly end all argument to why it should be used.  They ignore the thousands of failures going on with QBs who are riding or rode the bench in the past and are stinking way worse than guys thrown into the mix immediately.

We got a whole league littered with guys like these who followed or are following the Rodgers love path and they all are garbage:

1. Kyle Trask:  super high draft pick bench developer for years now behind Brady and it's done nothing as the Bucs had to go after Mayfield, and he's awful in preseason so far

2. Jared Stidham:  supposed to be a big huge Drew Brees and Rodgers level guy, rode the bench forever, a big fat nothing

3. Tyrod Taylor:  Another high pick also rode the bench forever - BUST

4. Ryan Mallet:  Big high whomping drafted QB following the Love Rodgers trajectory - BUST

5. Landry Jones: bench bust

Your definition of high pick might be WAY off.  Your list includes....

64th overall pick, 133rd overall, 180 overall, 74th overall, 115th overall

25 minutes ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

 

If the bench state worked as good as some seem to think, ever single one of those guys would be superstar QBs today

 

Meantime, we got so many QBs who didn't need any bench to develop on and did just fine like:

1. Josh Allen

2. Matt Ryan

3. Justin Herbert

4. Joe Burrow

5. Matt Stafford

6. Ben Rothlisberger

7. Dak Prescott

8. Russell Wilson (before 2021)

....and gets compared to a list that includes

2 overall #1 picks, #3 overall, #6 overall, #7 overall, #11 overall 

25 minutes ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

 

And then guys like Zach Wilson, Kyler Murray, Tua, not so good maybe but I guarantee bench time for them would make no difference, absolutely none.

 

[CWood21]

13 hours ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

No, that's the freaking problem is people just look solely to Aaron Rodgers and the fact that he sat on the bench 3 years as some kind of silly end all argument to why it should be used.  They ignore the thousands of failures going on with QBs who are riding or rode the bench in the past and are stinking way worse than guys thrown into the mix immediately.

We got a whole league littered with guys like these who followed or are following the Rodgers love path and they all are garbage:

1. Kyle Trask:  super high draft pick bench developer for years now behind Brady and it's done nothing as the Bucs had to go after Mayfield, and he's awful in preseason so far

2. Jared Stidham:  supposed to be a big huge Drew Brees and Rodgers level guy, rode the bench forever, a big fat nothing

3. Tyrod Taylor:  Another high pick also rode the bench forever - BUST

4. Ryan Mallet:  Big high whomping drafted QB following the Love Rodgers trajectory - BUST

5. Landry Jones: bench bust

 

If the bench state worked as good as some seem to think, ever single one of those guys would be superstar QBs today

 

Meantime, we got so many QBs who didn't need any bench to develop on and did just fine like:

1. Josh Allen

2. Matt Ryan

3. Justin Herbert

4. Joe Burrow

5. Matt Stafford

6. Ben Rothlisberger

7. Dak Prescott

8. Russell Wilson (before 2021)

 

And then guys like Zach Wilson, Kyler Murray, Tua, not so good maybe but I guarantee bench time for them would make no difference, absolutely none.

DEFINITELY need to get facts straight before trying to present an argument.  Kyle Track wasn't a SUPER HIGH draft pick by any means.  He went 64th.   Stidham was a 4th round pick.  Success rate of QBs drafted in the 4th round or later aren't very good.  Tyrod Taylor was a 6th round pick.  Not sure how that amounts to a high draft pick.  Ryan Mallet was a mid 3rd round pick.  Closer to Stidham than anything else.  Same with Landry Jones.

The FACTS are there's no cookie cutter mold as to what makes a successful franchise QB.  You've got guys like Aaron Rodgers who sat on the bench for 3 years before becoming a franchise QB.  Patrick Mahomes threw 35 passes his rookie season, and won MVP the following year.  You've got guys like Sam Arnold, Marcus Mariota, and EJ Manuel who were effectively given the starting QB job by default flame out.

[Laces Out]

Success rate for QB's in general isn't great, any round. 1st rounders by default get a big F-ing leash though.

I do agree with the stated fact you don't get better by... not playing. 

[Rainmaker90]

I would’ve never guessed this at the beginning of the season 

 

[Smidgeon]

47 minutes ago, Laces Out said:

Success rate for QB's in general isn't great, any round. 1st rounders by default get a big F-ing leash though.

I do agree with the stated fact you don't get better by... not playing. 

There have been 4 1st round QBs in the last 30 years to get 1 start or less in their first two seasons: 

Chad Pennington 

Philip Rivers

Aaron Rodgers

Jordan Love

 

Seems like sitting worked out pretty well for all of them. 

 

[Old Guy]

1 hour ago, Laces Out said:

Success rate for QB's in general isn't great, any round. 1st rounders by default get a big F-ing leash though.

I do agree with the stated fact you don't get better by... not playing. 

The stated fact is more than 1/2 of the quarterbacks who are forced to play early their rookie year flame out, fast. 

The other fact is by sitting you learn the playbook, learn how to really play NFL quarterback. You learn the progressions and nuances from watching the guy in front of you and learning. So, in fact, guys do get a lot better by not playing. 

 

[NFLGURU]

17 hours ago, LLcheesehead12 said:

No, that's the freaking problem is people just look solely to Aaron Rodgers and the fact that he sat on the bench 3 years as some kind of silly end all argument to why it should be used.  They ignore the thousands of failures going on with QBs who are riding or rode the bench in the past and are stinking way worse than guys thrown into the mix immediately.

We got a whole league littered with guys like these who followed or are following the Rodgers love path and they all are garbage:

1. Kyle Trask:  super high draft pick bench developer for years now behind Brady and it's done nothing as the Bucs had to go after Mayfield, and he's awful in preseason so far

2. Jared Stidham:  supposed to be a big huge Drew Brees and Rodgers level guy, rode the bench forever, a big fat nothing

3. Tyrod Taylor:  Another high pick also rode the bench forever - BUST

4. Ryan Mallet:  Big high whomping drafted QB following the Love Rodgers trajectory - BUST

5. Landry Jones: bench bust

 

If the bench state worked as good as some seem to think, ever single one of those guys would be superstar QBs today

 

Meantime, we got so many QBs who didn't need any bench to develop on and did just fine like:

1. Josh Allen

2. Matt Ryan

3. Justin Herbert

4. Joe Burrow

5. Matt Stafford

6. Ben Rothlisberger

7. Dak Prescott

8. Russell Wilson (before 2021)

 

And then guys like Zach Wilson, Kyler Murray, Tua, not so good maybe but I guarantee bench time for them would make no difference, absolutely none.

I think there is value in some bench time.  A year or so to learn the offense and then ease into live fire is about right IMO.  

3 years of bench time with numerous opportunities for snaps and practice and still can't hit the broad side of a barn on deep routes is concerning.

Edited October 5, 2023 by NFLGURU