beekay414 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 12 hours ago, CBears019 said: Sounds like the fear (and likelihood) is that Rodgers ruptured his Achilles, ending his season and likely even his career. Honestly i feel Bad for Rodgers. I was looking forward to watching him play for a team that’s not the packers. I wanted to like him all these years, but couldn’t for obvious reasons. It’s a shame to see a legend go out this way. Maybe he gives it another go next year, but Achilles are hard to come back from, especially when you’re 40. Honest question, Why couldn't you like him? Just because he was a Packer? I'm not trying to be insulting here but two of my favorite QBs of the last 20 years were Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. I even had a Grossman Bears jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBears019 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, beekay414 said: Honest question, Why couldn't you like him? Just because he was a Packer? I'm not trying to be insulting here but two of my favorite QBs of the last 20 years were Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. I even had a Grossman Bears jersey. Not insulting at all. And yes because he was a packer. He’s ripped my heart out too many times including a shot at the Super Bowl. It was like no lead was safe in bears v packers if Rodgers was still out there. And he was always so smug about it that he just really annoyed me. You didn’t have quite the same experience with grossman and cutler (some of my favs btw too, got both their jerseys). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, CBears019 said: Not insulting at all. And yes because he was a packer. He’s ripped my heart out too many times including a shot at the Super Bowl. It was like no lead was safe in bears v packers if Rodgers was still out there. And he was always so smug about it that he just really annoyed me. You didn’t have quite the same experience with grossman and cutler (some of my favs btw too, got both their jerseys). Yeah, I guess it's just an entirely different dynamic when it comes to the two franchises. I was able to like Rex and Jay because I wasn't threatened by them, I guess. Even the NFC title game, I just remember (unlike the other 4 since) waking up that day and going "we're going to the Super Bowl today." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 So Rodgers Achilles tear is confirmed Even if the guy is pretty intensely unlikeable, and even knowing that him being hurt screws the packers out of a first rounder (and maybe even any realistic shot to have the ammo to draft a good qb this offseason)... Still sucks hard to see a legend potentially on his last plays, and going out in such a lame way. If he gets the surgery this week, he could theoretically start physical therapy in 6 weeks, and maybe running in 12... But Achilles tears are a pretty rough one to come back from, especially at 40. Hopefully he can take his time and make a comeback next year before time causes him to hang up the cleats. I think a Rodgers jets team showed it might have been a real afc threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 hours ago, beekay414 said: Honest question, Why couldn't you like him? Just because he was a Packer? I'm not trying to be insulting here but two of my favorite QBs of the last 20 years were Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. I even had a Grossman Bears jersey. As a Packers fan Rex was a major - if unintentional - supporter of you guys. lol I loved watching Rodgers at Cal, he is to this day my 2nd favorite prospect of all time. I hated Angelo with a passion the day he drafted Benson and let AR fall to GB, almost quit the Bears. The only reason I disliked him was because of the frequent beatings he gave CHI. If it was closer to a 50/50 thing I could have been better about it but he just crapped on too many of my Sundays, you know? lol That being said I hope he comes back. Let the Jets try to develop his heir or whatever but I'd like Rodgers to do some damage in the AFC, just stay TF away from Chicago when he does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 hours ago, beekay414 said: Honest question, Why couldn't you like him? Just because he was a Packer? I'm not trying to be insulting here but two of my favorite QBs of the last 20 years were Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. I even had a Grossman Bears jersey. I think another question would be how could you get to a point where you would be anything but sad for a player who got hurt in a career threatening way? These guys risk everything to pay a game, that we get to enjoy. I guess there's a bit of hypocrisy perhaps to cheer for a sack but feel bad when they get really hurt, but I do think there is a line to cross there. I could admire the way Rodgers played and still hate his guts for every Sunday. He really has elevated what we think of as top end quarterback play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, BEAR FACE DOWN ARROW said: I think another question would be how could you get to a point where you would be anything but sad for a player who got hurt in a career threatening way? These guys risk everything to pay a game, that we get to enjoy. I guess there's a bit of hypocrisy perhaps to cheer for a sack but feel bad when they get really hurt, but I do think there is a line to cross there. I could admire the way Rodgers played and still hate his guts for every Sunday. He really has elevated what we think of as top end quarterback play. I think the big issue is whether they are hurt or injured. I have no issues cheering for a sack where someone gets hobbled. Same as a big pancake block that someone may get the wind knocked out of them. But being injured (missing more than that game by my personal standard) sucks. Very few people would I have been happy to see them get knocked out, and hat was for more than anything just about how well/poorly they play football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) So I've been talking a lot about how we mad I was we didn't draft JMS for Center (instead taking Tyrique Stevenson, who may end up our best draft pick, and Gervon Dexter, who I'm not sure even played?) I'll eat a bit of crow today, since JMS is on the giants and had a positively brutal game there this week, despite looking like a stud in preseason. PFF grades on John Micheal Schmitz this week Overall blocking 42.8 (30th of 30Centers) *Totals had to have been done before MNF apparently* Pass blocking 41.7 (26th of 30 Centers) That is actually still worse than Lucas Patrick 43.3 overall grade (50.7 pass blocking, 45.5 run blocking) FWIW Nate Davis had a 26.8 pass blocking grade as well... Good lord that's terrible.... (a score of 60 is roughly NFL "average" I think) Edited September 12, 2023 by Epyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugashane Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Epyon said: So I've been talking a lot about how we mad I was we didn't draft JMS for Center (instead taking Tyrique Stevenson, who may end up our best draft pick, and Gervon Dexter, who I'm not sure even played?) I'll eat a bit of crow today, since JMS is on the giants and had a positively brutal game there this week, despite looking like a stud in preseason. PFF grades on John Micheal Schmitz this week Overall blocking 42.8 (30th of 30Centers) *Totals had to have been done before MNF apparently* Pass blocking 41.7 (26th of 30 Centers) That is actually still worse than Lucas Patrick 43.3 overall grade (50.7 pass blocking, 45.5 run blocking) FWIW Nate Davis had a 26.8 pass blocking grade as well... Good lord that's terrible.... (a score of 60 is roughly NFL "average" I think) I wouldn't worry about it. You don't draft players for their rookie year, you draft to try and get a long-time cornerstones of the franchise. I think JMS will bounce back even if he does have a slow year, he is just a damn good prospect. Things happen in the trenches so much faster than in college there is going to be an adjustment. Davis was horrendous from what little I saw of him. I wonder if there were communication issues with him having played so little through TC and preseason, or if he was just getting beat like a drum for being rusty, etc. Patrick is just what he is, a mid-reserve option that should be fighting to be a #2, not be given a reserve role freely. Dexter got in for about 1/3 of the snaps, I thought he plugged his lanes pretty well but he didn't get any real passrush - a pretty safe bet considering no one did, I know. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Sugashane said: Davis was horrendous from what little I saw of him. I wonder if there were communication issues with him having played so little through TC and preseason, or if he was just getting beat like a drum for being rusty, etc. Patrick is just what he is, a mid-reserve option that should be fighting to be a #2, not be given a reserve role freely. I linked a QB school video in the Justin Fields thread (and I'm only half way through it so far, and I'm enjoying the video breakdown more than the game itself, highly recommend it) He's ripping into the scheme primarily, and Fields a ton.... but he takes special time to talk about a nate davis play 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1701760407197647271?s=20 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBears019 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Ty21 said: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1701760407197647271?s=20 Good for him. God dude who has been through A LOT over the years. Glad he can still, kind of, continue his football playing days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 14 hours ago, Epyon said: I linked a QB school video in the Justin Fields thread (and I'm only half way through it so far, and I'm enjoying the video breakdown more than the game itself, highly recommend it) He's ripping into the scheme primarily, and Fields a ton.... but he takes special time to talk about a nate davis play I watched this video and all I have to say is that it's not pretty. It's not just Getsy, Fields, the WRs or the OL being bad but a combination of everyone doing their part. That said it's pretty frustrating to see Fields not ripping the ball when dudes are getting open. His anticipation and quickness is still very much lacking which is not very encouraging to see from a 3rd year QB. These were a lot of the same weaknesses which causes Fields to fall in the draft Also it's pretty laughable how JT O'Sullivan just laughs at what our offense is. Says our scheme is pretty much crap and there's no rhyme or reason to it. Revealing stuff man...hope it gets better but being in year 2 of this offense now and having all offseason to correct these things this is not what you want to see. And I get it green bays defense are no slouches by C'mon man this is just bad bad bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 hours ago, topwop1 said: I watched this video and all I have to say is that it's not pretty. It's not just Getsy, Fields, the WRs or the OL being bad but a combination of everyone doing their part. That said it's pretty frustrating to see Fields not ripping the ball when dudes are getting open. His anticipation and quickness is still very much lacking which is not very encouraging to see from a 3rd year QB. These were a lot of the same weaknesses which causes Fields to fall in the draft Also it's pretty laughable how JT O'Sullivan just laughs at what our offense is. Says our scheme is pretty much crap and there's no rhyme or reason to it. Revealing stuff man...hope it gets better but being in year 2 of this offense now and having all offseason to correct these things this is not what you want to see. And I get it green bays defense are no slouches by C'mon man this is just bad bad bad Emery sucked and therefore hired an awful HC Pace sucked and therefore hired 2 ****ty HC's Does Poles suck? Did he hire a bad HC? We're about to find out, and if the answer is yes, nothing will change until Virginia and George croak because George, specifically, is the nitwit who continues to hire these jamokes (and don't hit me with the "he gets a lot of respected former execs to help" because ultimately his stupid *** has the final say) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 (edited) On 9/12/2023 at 11:39 AM, beekay414 said: Honest question, Why couldn't you like him? Just because he was a Packer? I'm not trying to be insulting here but two of my favorite QBs of the last 20 years were Rex Grossman and Jay Cutler. I even had a Grossman Bears jersey. I was OK with him for a while because he was actually good vs Favre who lived off his 90s success. The man threw 6 picks in a playoff game and Madden is still sucking up to him. I started hating Rogers after his COVID bs and then the I own you comment. from a player standpoint one of the best I’ve seen. Plays like a robot. If the organization did things differently he would have own more championships. but he was horrible in NFC championship games that didn’t match his standard of play in the regular season. Edited September 13, 2023 by Nads786 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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