Nabbs4u Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) You could of put the top 20 PR in 2022 names on a list, $1M on the line and there's ZERO chance without looking it up, I or most of you for that matter would of ever put Covey in the Top 10! I stand corrected I guess. The Jason Avant of PR. Nothing flashy, nothing spectacular but gets the job done! 🤷♂️ Edited August 27, 2023 by Nabbs4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: I mostly agree with this I would add that Covey is young and has room to improve. And also that Siposs is probably just on the bad spectrum and should be replaced. What Covey has in reliability of just doing the bare minimum… Siposs regularly makes mistakes like in the SB. Siposs is worse than Covey positionally. I don’t think there’s an argument there. I don’t really know how you gage a punter with stats. He’s had a couple shanks but that’s not unlike any other punter. He had a bad one in an unfortunate time, for sure. And far be it from me to defend him but if you look at his net average, ( I guess that’s the best way to gage them) he’s at the bottom on the list but only a few yards per punt away from the top handful. He’s also one of the better ones with return yards against. (Whether that’s a ST stat, I dunno). Regardless, the 20-25 punters in the league are completely interchangeable for the most part. The difference is barley noticeable. Obviously, you have to limit the disaster plays. I do find it odd that there’s barely ever any real competition for him year to year. There’s nothing stopping the Eagles by bringing guys in. But for the most part, as I’ve said, besides kicking, you just can’t be a disaster and you’ll have a job most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jroc04 said: Siposs is worse than Covey positionally. I don’t think there’s an argument there. I don’t really know how you gage a punter with stats. He’s had a couple shanks but that’s not unlike any other punter. He had a bad one in an unfortunate time, for sure. And far be it from me to defend him but if you look at his net average, ( I guess that’s the best way to gage them) he’s at the bottom on the list but only a few yards per punt away from the top handful. He’s also one of the better ones with return yards against. (Whether that’s a ST stat, I dunno). Regardless, the 20-25 punters in the league are completely interchangeable for the most part. The difference is barley noticeable. Obviously, you have to limit the disaster plays. I do find it odd that there’s barely ever any real competition for him year to year. There’s nothing stopping the Eagles by bringing guys in. But for the most part, as I’ve said, besides kicking, you just can’t be a disaster and you’ll have a job most likely. Yeah it might be more emotional than reality based but I just want someone else punting. Doesn’t need to be a stud just a new face lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 7 hours ago, Danger said: You can find someone more valuable on the streets. Or give Devon Allen a shot. Covey does nothing someone else you can find currently unemployed can't do. This is just laughably false. 15 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: His ability to fair catch a football is on parr with the Elite, that's for sure. Very little other then that, sorry! as is this. Covey has better punt return statistics in college than Devin Hester. That is the reason he’s in the league. Our special teams coverage/blocking to set up Covey was not good most of the time and even when he knew he was gonna get rocked potentially he still took punts out. He fair caught when he needed to but in no ways was he like a Greg Ward in that department. When he did get decent room to field a punt he usually got a nice chunk. I do think besides punt return he is limited in what he gives the roster cause I don’t think you want him playing receiver even if a guy gets hurt, but yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: Yeah it might be more emotional than reality based but I just want someone else punting. Doesn’t need to be a stud just a new face lol. Completely agree. He’s below average. There’s no reason why Howie couldn’t find someone better in the last couple years but here we are. I think most people make way too much of it though. Unless we’re extremely lucky, chances are were just going to replace him with someone about the same, give or take. And really, you see it all the time, the more time a specialist spends time with a team, they end up pricing themselves out and they move on anyway. Even “good” punters aren’t lifelong on a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Folesadelphia Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Really want Eli Ricks to make the roster. I don't think he'd make it through to the PS. I would think Goodrich has a better opportunity to make it to the PS but the problem is Goodrich is better in the slot and would provide more utility being the backup NCB. Ricks would be the 2nd or 3rd off the bench at outside CB (behind Jobe and/or Ringo.) I prefer that the corps is Slay, Bradberry, Maddox, Jobe, Ringo, Ricks as the six and hope that Jobe can provide some inside/outside versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperX22 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Jroc04 said: Siposs is worse than Covey positionally. I don’t think there’s an argument there. I don’t really know how you gage a punter with stats. He’s had a couple shanks but that’s not unlike any other punter. He had a bad one in an unfortunate time, for sure. And far be it from me to defend him but if you look at his net average, ( I guess that’s the best way to gage them) he’s at the bottom on the list but only a few yards per punt away from the top handful. He’s also one of the better ones with return yards against. (Whether that’s a ST stat, I dunno). Regardless, the 20-25 punters in the league are completely interchangeable for the most part. The difference is barley noticeable. Obviously, you have to limit the disaster plays. I do find it odd that there’s barely ever any real competition for him year to year. There’s nothing stopping the Eagles by bringing guys in. But for the most part, as I’ve said, besides kicking, you just can’t be a disaster and you’ll have a job most likely. He's dead last among all punters in the NFL in long ball situations, and 2nd in the NFL in pin deep situations. So in other words, as long as he doesn't have to punt the ball farther than 40 yards he's good. Siposs is bad, like really bad and has no place on an NFL roster in 2023 and exasperated by the number of shanks he's had late in the season in key situations. Not even remotely the same situation as Covey who is actually pretty good in his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) Who are the Eagles backup OL? They cut Toth, Kelly, Tom, Andrews and Robinson. Roderick is on IR is he not? Do they really like Josh Sills at OG then and maybe consider Tyler Steen the backup LT? Driscoll can play OG or OT I feel and maybe Fred Johnson has played better than I thought. Who is the backup center or do they consider Jurgens the backup center and would just move someone to guard if that happens? Edited August 27, 2023 by Ozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperX22 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 4 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: You could of put the top 20 PR in 2022 names on a list, $1M on the line and there's ZERO chance without looking it up, I or most of you for that matter would of ever put Covey in the Top 10! I stand corrected I guess. The Jason Avant of PR. Nothing flashy, nothing spectacular but gets the job done! 🤷♂️ Uh it's pretty common knowledge 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperX22 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, Folesadelphia said: Really want Eli Ricks to make the roster. I don't think he'd make it through to the PS. I would think Goodrich has a better opportunity to make it to the PS but the problem is Goodrich is better in the slot and would provide more utility being the backup NCB. Ricks would be the 2nd or 3rd off the bench at outside CB (behind Jobe and/or Ringo.) I prefer that the corps is Slay, Bradberry, Maddox, Jobe, Ringo, Ricks as the six and hope that Jobe can provide some inside/outside versatility. Arguably Ricks has outplayed Ringo. I don't think either Ricks or Goodrich would get scooped off waivers. Goodrich has played his way on to the roster. Ricks is going to be a tough cut, but it's gonna be hard to keep 7 CB's unless they go light at LB and S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jroc04 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, CasperX22 said: He's dead last among all punters in the NFL in long ball situations, and 2nd in the NFL in pin deep situations. So in other words, as long as he doesn't have to punt the ball farther than 40 yards he's good. Siposs is bad, like really bad and has no place on an NFL roster in 2023 and exasperated by the number of shanks he's had late in the season in key situations. Not even remotely the same situation as Covey who is actually pretty good in his role. I don’t disagree. The point of the posts were that there’s very little difference between “good” and “bad” punters and punt returners. There are some really bad/good in each category but the guys that range in that 90%-10% are mostly interchangeable. If Covey gains or loses 2 yards off his punt return average he goes from middle pack to top 3 or bottom 4 for qualifying returners. 2 yards. And if Siposs gains 3 yards on his net average he goes from 30th or so to like 11th. It’s just not that big of a deal to perform. You just can’t be a disaster and you’re ok. I’m not going to defend Siposs. He stinks. But getting another guy that’s decidedly better than him would net us another 2-3 yards net per punt. It’s really not worth combing the league over it. I think Howie knows that. But, as I’ve said, it’s odd he’s ok with clearly being below average and not being really active in upgrading the position. Point is, “bad” and “pretty good” comparatively is almost indistinguishable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jays3 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 I was just surprised after the nasty brain fart siposs had mid punt in the Super Bowl that the eagles didn’t try harder to replace him. Just seems like the kinda thing howie would really look into upgrading. Maybe we snag one and stash on the PS, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleBlueDon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 37 minutes ago, Jays3 said: I was just surprised after the nasty brain fart siposs had mid punt in the Super Bowl that the eagles didn’t try harder to replace him. Just seems like the kinda thing howie would really look into upgrading. Maybe we snag one and stash on the PS, who knows. I think there's a few punter battles TBD out there, so we'll see if we get in on any of those. Which I think we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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