Thomas5737 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 32 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: 2 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: 2020 Lamar was 22nd in passer rating. 2021 he was 25th, 2022 he was 27th, this year he is 14th. Ummm he is 7th with a 101.0 passer rating this year. I'll always count on you barge in and spread disinformation, though. Yep, I don't know how I screwed that one up. I got him confused with Fields? I dunno. Anyway, you can see why 22nd, 25th, 27th and 7th would keep him out of the top 5. I know passing isn't his strength but it is a big factor overall. Lamar was top 5 in 2019 though. He was a different animal. There is tape on him now which is why his first full season of starting will likely be his career year. His only 3k passing year thus far, though he may reach it this year if he stays healthy. On pace for less than 20 passing TDs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Yep, I don't know how I screwed that one up. I got him confused with Fields? I dunno. Anyway, you can see why 22nd, 25th, 27th and 7th would keep him out of the top 5. I know passing isn't his strength but it is a big factor overall. Lamar was top 5 in 2019 though. He was a different animal. There is tape on him now which is why his first full season of starting will likely be his career year. His only 3k passing year thus far, though he may reach it this year if he stays healthy. On pace for less than 20 passing TDs though. Lamar was 11th in passer rating (7th in QBR) in 2020, not 22nd. It's funny how all your innocent mistakes continually paint Lamar as worse than he is in reality. Can you give me a good reason not to ignore you if you continually make errors that always happen to go to support your argument? At a certain point, I think this is not a coincidence. Either you are a disingenuous poster or just not that bright. And it's not even a nitpick. If you followed football and evaluated Lamar in 2020, you'd know his passing was very good that year. If you mistakenly write down "Lamar was 22nd in passer rating in 2020," you need to think, was Lamar one of the worst passing QBs that year? Let's see, he had 26 TDs and 9 INTs, with 64.4%. That's pretty good..." You see, it just takes a modicum of intelligence to check the numbers you put out. But it doesn't seem like you follow the league or Lamar Jackson's career enough to notice when you make blatantly inaccurate claims. Weak stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Lamar was 11th in passer rating (7th in QBR) in 2020, not 22nd. It's funny how all your innocent mistakes continually paint Lamar as worse than he is in reality. Can you give me a good reason not to ignore you if you continually make errors that always happen to go to support your argument? At a certain point, I think this is not a coincidence. Either you are a disingenuous poster or just not that bright. And it's not even a nitpick. If you followed football and evaluated Lamar in 2020, you'd know his passing was very good that year. If you mistakenly write down "Lamar was 22nd in passer rating in 2020," you need to think, was Lamar one of the worst passing QBs that year? Let's see, he had 26 TDs and 9 INTs, with 64.4%. That's pretty good..." You see, it just takes a modicum of intelligence to check the numbers you put out. But it doesn't seem like you follow the league or Lamar Jackson's career enough to notice when you make blatantly inaccurate claims. Weak stuff. So I made a mistake, the point still stands. I can also debate without making it about the other person which should tell you plenty if you know anything about debating. When sorting stats it didn't keep the highlighted rating it went to yards passing. So he was 11th, 23rd, 17th and 7th so far this year. You believe he should be in the top 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: So I made a mistake, the point still stands. I can also debate without making it about the other person which should tell you plenty if you know anything about debating. When sorting stats it didn't keep the highlighted rating it went to yards passing. So he was 11th, 23rd, 17th and 7th so far this year. You believe he should be in the top 5? I'm not even bothering to argue whether Lamar deserves to be top 5. Just that there are people out there who are not Ravens fans who do have Lamar in their top-5 QBs. You are free to disagree with whether he deserves to be top-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: I'm not even bothering to argue whether Lamar deserves to be top 5. Just that there are people out there who are not Ravens fans who do have Lamar in their top-5 QBs. You are free to disagree with whether he deserves to be top-5. There really isn't a debate where he could be top 5 over the last few seasons. Someone could expect him to turn it up and put him in their top 5 on what he could potentially do, but really you could do that for any QB. Top 5 isn't even prestigious right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: There really isn't a debate where he could be top 5 over the last few seasons. Someone could expect him to turn it up and put him in their top 5 on what he could potentially do, but really you could do that for any QB. Top 5 isn't even prestigious right now. Noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/2/2023 at 5:16 PM, Thomas5737 said: Yep, I don't know how I screwed that one up. I got him confused with Fields? I dunno. Anyway, you can see why 22nd, 25th, 27th and 7th would keep him out of the top 5. I know passing isn't his strength but it is a big factor overall. Lamar was top 5 in 2019 though. He was a different animal. There is tape on him now which is why his first full season of starting will likely be his career year. His only 3k passing year thus far, though he may reach it this year if he stays healthy. On pace for less than 20 passing TDs though. Damn man. Crazy that it’s been about ~5 years of Lamar hate from you after the previous ~10 of calling Joe Flacco an overrated mediocre quarterback. Curious where you rank Harbaugh among NFL coaches past and present considering since 2008 when he took over, the Ravens have the 5th best win % in the league and are tied for the 3rd most playoff wins in that span. You must have him ranked pretty high considering he’s achieved that amount of success with 2 QBs you’ve consistently derided for the past decade + on this forum. I’ll hang up and listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Ray Reed said: Damn man. Crazy that it’s been about ~5 years of Lamar hate from you after the previous ~10 of calling Joe Flacco an overrated mediocre quarterback. Curious where you rank Harbaugh among NFL coaches past and present considering since 2008 when he took over, the Ravens have the 5th best win % in the league and are tied for the 3rd most playoff wins in that span. You must have him ranked pretty high considering he’s achieved that amount of success with 2 QBs you’ve consistently derided for the past decade + on this forum. I’ll hang up and listen Flacco was mediocre or at least hot and cold. Lamar has been mediocre for a couple years after a great and good season. We'll see how he finishes this season. As far as Harbaugh, well, maybe Jim learned his ways from John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 At midseason **Mahomes Tier** 1. Patrick Mahomes **Elite Tier** 2. Joe Burrow 3. Josh Allen 4. Lamar Jackson 5. Jalen Hurts 6. Tua Tagovailoa 7. Justin Herbert (Aaron Rodgers) **Above Average Tier** (Kirk Cousins) 8. Jared Goff 9. Trevor Lawrence 10. CJ Stroud 11. Brock Purdy 12. Dak Prescott 13. Geno Smith 14. Kyler Murray 15. Russell Wilson 16. Derek Carr **Below Average Tier** 17. Matthew Stafford 18. Baker Mayfield 19. Sam Howell 20. Will Levis (Anthony Richardson) 21. Gardner Minshew 22. Joshua Dobbs 23. Taylor Heinicke (Tyrod Taylor) 24. Kenny Pickett **Bad Tier** (Justin Fields) 25. Deshaun Watson 26. Mac Jones 27. Jordan Love 28. Bryce Young 29. Zach Wilson (Desmond Ridder) (Jimmy Garoppolo) (Ryan Tannehill) (Daniel Jones) ** Backup Tier** 30. Aidan O'Connell 31. Tyson Bagent (PJ Walker) 32. Tommy DeVito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 hours ago, jonnguy2015 said: At midseason **Mahomes Tier** 1. Patrick Mahomes **Elite Tier** 2. Joe Burrow 3. Josh Allen 4. Lamar Jackson 5. Jalen Hurts 6. Tua Tagovailoa 7. Justin Herbert (Aaron Rodgers) **Above Average Tier** (Kirk Cousins) 8. Jared Goff 9. Trevor Lawrence 10. CJ Stroud 11. Brock Purdy 12. Dak Prescott 13. Geno Smith 14. Kyler Murray 15. Russell Wilson 16. Derek Carr **Below Average Tier** 17. Matthew Stafford 18. Baker Mayfield 19. Sam Howell 20. Will Levis (Anthony Richardson) 21. Gardner Minshew 22. Joshua Dobbs 23. Taylor Heinicke (Tyrod Taylor) 24. Kenny Pickett **Bad Tier** (Justin Fields) 25. Deshaun Watson 26. Mac Jones 27. Jordan Love 28. Bryce Young 29. Zach Wilson (Desmond Ridder) (Jimmy Garoppolo) (Ryan Tannehill) (Daniel Jones) ** Backup Tier** 30. Aidan O'Connell 31. Tyson Bagent (PJ Walker) 32. Tommy DeVito Not bad at all. I do think Sam should move up a tier (being a homer here) and Geno and Derek should move down a tier. I'd also put Kirk in the elite category based on how he was playing this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Not sure how Pickett is so high but meh... He is playing below Dobbs at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, jebrick said: Not sure how Pickett is so high but meh... He is playing below Dobbs at this point. I do have him below Dobbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 11:56 PM, jonnguy2015 said: At midseason **Mahomes Tier** 1. Patrick Mahomes **Elite Tier** 2. Joe Burrow 3. Josh Allen 4. Lamar Jackson 5. Jalen Hurts 6. Tua Tagovailoa 7. Justin Herbert (Aaron Rodgers) **Above Average Tier** (Kirk Cousins) 8. Jared Goff 9. Trevor Lawrence 10. CJ Stroud 11. Brock Purdy 12. Dak Prescott 13. Geno Smith 14. Kyler Murray 15. Russell Wilson 16. Derek Carr **Below Average Tier** 17. Matthew Stafford 18. Baker Mayfield 19. Sam Howell 20. Will Levis (Anthony Richardson) 21. Gardner Minshew 22. Joshua Dobbs 23. Taylor Heinicke (Tyrod Taylor) 24. Kenny Pickett **Bad Tier** (Justin Fields) 25. Deshaun Watson 26. Mac Jones 27. Jordan Love 28. Bryce Young 29. Zach Wilson (Desmond Ridder) (Jimmy Garoppolo) (Ryan Tannehill) (Daniel Jones) ** Backup Tier** 30. Aidan O'Connell 31. Tyson Bagent (PJ Walker) 32. Tommy DeVito pickett is pretty firmly in the bad tier for me, and just personally i don't bother ranking the rookies, but otherwise i'm more or less in agreement with this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 11:02 AM, Mox said: Virtually no one outside of Raven fans see Lamar as a top 5 QB. Just to review, here are the posters who aren't Ravens who have Lamar in the top-5: HerbertGOAT Trojan Danger Stl4life07 Jonnguy2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 12:56 PM, SteelKing728 said: 1. Mahomes 2. Hurts 3. Tagovailoa 4. Burrow 5. Allen 6. Herbert 7. Lawrence 8. Cousins 9. Purdy 10. Goff 11. Jackson 12. Smith 13. Prescott 14. Stroud 15. Stafford 16. Carr 17. Wilson 18. Mayfield 19. Watson 20. Garrapollo 21. Ridder 22. Pickett 23. Minshew 24. Howell 25. Young 26. M. Jones 27. Love 28. D. Jones 29. Dobbs 30. Bagent 31. Wilson 32. Levis Saving this post for end of the season reevaluations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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