goldfishwars Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, jebrick said: Unless they have T-Rex arms, I think it is overblown. It is more important that they can reset in pass protection, have the functional strength and leverage to move a big NT and have enough athleticism to make it to the 2nd level and block. The two best centers in the league have 32 inch arms 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 hours ago, jebrick said: Unless they have T-Rex arms, I think it is overblown. It is more important that they can reset in pass protection, have the functional strength and leverage to move a big NT and have enough athleticism to make it to the 2nd level and block. Average center has 32.5 inch arms. I see most of the class have sub 32. Frazier seems to be the only center that's close to that threshold. Jackson powers Johnson has 31 and 1/8 inch arms. He's 6 foot 3 330 but arm length helps inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, LinderFournette said: Average center has 32.5 inch arms. I see most of the class have sub 32. Frazier seems to be the only center that's close to that threshold. Jackson powers Johnson has 31 and 1/8 inch arms. He's 6 foot 3 330 but arm length helps inside Not T-Rex arms. I stand by what I said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 hours ago, LinderFournette said: Average center has 32.5 inch arms. I see most of the class have sub 32. Frazier seems to be the only center that's close to that threshold. Jackson powers Johnson has 31 and 1/8 inch arms. He's 6 foot 3 330 but arm length helps inside I am seeing 32 and 1/8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 hours ago, LinderFournette said: This class of centers arm lengths is bad. Only 1 I've seen that has average length is Frazier. If there's one position on the OLine where i care the least about lackluster arm length, it's probably Center tbh. Nice to have, but there have been so many good centers with shorter arms. As long as it's not like egregiously stumpy, and they've got the right smarts and awareness, movement skills, and strong anchor to hold up...they'll probably be fine in the middle. I also tend to care more about total "wingspan" over pure arm length. Especially on the interior. That's often pretty linear correlation with arm length, but it can make up small differences depending on their actual build and "functional width" or whatever. It's not like asking someone to hold up on the edge as a Tackle without length. Where they're going to be going snap after snap against guys who are going to have super long vines for arms and so much speed and space to deal with. That can be a real problem. With Centers, there's a lot of shorter-armed IDL these days anyway. Biggest thing is just the vision/awareness to pick up those lengthy edge guys and blitzers, etc. when they come across them as they loop around and stunt everywhere. An extra inch of arm length isn't gonna help a guy who is slow to recognize and redirect. Just more of a preference and bonus, than a dealbreaker i think. If i really like the player otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Powers-Johnson might be the most powerful Center prospect I’ve seen. An absolute bully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 10 hours ago, Scoundrel said: I am seeing 32 and 1/8 https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-senior-bowl-weigh-in-measurement-results-for-nfl-prospects/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, LinderFournette said: https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-senior-bowl-weigh-in-measurement-results-for-nfl-prospects/ They are the only place I can find that are reporting that length… here are just three of the different sites that report 32 1/8. And through my years of scouting Steelers Depot has always been the most accurate. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10095839-jackson-powers-johnson-nfl-draft-2024-scouting-report-for-oregon-iol.amp.html https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2024-senior-bowl-weigh-ins-and-measurements/ https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/2024-senior-bowl-rosters-official-heights-weights-and-other-measurements/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 hours ago, goldfishwars said: Powers-Johnson might be the most powerful Center prospect I’ve seen. An absolute bully. Well he’s probably the heaviest… I don’t recall a center being 334 pre draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 What's the justification for arm length being a priority for interior OLmen? Is it that if you're giving up 1/2" to 1" in arm length to a DT they can get their hands on you faster and gain leverage sooner? Typically when interior linemen engage, they're already pretty close (well within 30") and have their arms bent, shortening that distance further. So a 34" DL might have a different angle to his arms while a 32" C may have more extension at the elbows, but I wouldn't think that would matter that much. When scouting players, I've never seen arm length as a huge priority at G/C as most of your play is in a phone booth and defenders aren't able to take advantage of open space where arm length would come into play. Could it help in the open when you're getting to the second level or pulling around the edge on a screen or run play? Sure - and of course you don't want someone with "T-Rex" arms like mentioned above - but if they have 31+ I don't think teams really care. Arm length tends to be a far higher priority at OT where you spend much more time in space and edge rushers can use that to their advantage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 14 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: Well he’s probably the heaviest… I don’t recall a center being 334 pre draft. He plays to that size too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinderFournette Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, MaddHatter said: What's the justification for arm length being a priority for interior OLmen? Is it that if you're giving up 1/2" to 1" in arm length to a DT they can get their hands on you faster and gain leverage sooner? Typically when interior linemen engage, they're already pretty close (well within 30") and have their arms bent, shortening that distance further. So a 34" DL might have a different angle to his arms while a 32" C may have more extension at the elbows, but I wouldn't think that would matter that much. When scouting players, I've never seen arm length as a huge priority at G/C as most of your play is in a phone booth and defenders aren't able to take advantage of open space where arm length would come into play. Could it help in the open when you're getting to the second level or pulling around the edge on a screen or run play? Sure - and of course you don't want someone with "T-Rex" arms like mentioned above - but if they have 31+ I don't think teams really care. Arm length tends to be a far higher priority at OT where you spend much more time in space and edge rushers can use that to their advantage. I've seen plenty of centers get beat inside cuz of their lack of length(Garrett Bradbury for an example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MaddHatter Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 hours ago, Scoundrel said: Well he’s probably the heaviest… I don’t recall a center being 334 pre draft. I haven't seen one over 320 - all the heavy boys are 315-317 coming out of college including guys like Andre Gurode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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