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19 hours ago, Daniel said:

So, I watched Chop again, and yeah, no change.  Dude is height/weight/speed/power with a little bend.  All he does is barrel down in front of him, and if he wins, it's with superior athleticism.  That's all well and good, but I see almost no moves, and he doesn't even show quickness or change of direction, like Turner.  It's just straight line speed.  A good DL could maybe develop him into an outstanding player, but he needs a lot of seasoning.  He's plain *** chicken breast right now.

And again, I come away from this game thinking Isaac is better.  You see Isaac win with speed and power, not as often as Chop, sure, but you also see Isaac move around to find gaps, have some level of countermeasures against OLs, and even drop into coverage very effectively.  I think 2:55 is a good illustration of it.  Chop runs through the line before the guard can get hands on him and gets to the QB for what would be a sack if the QB didn't throw just barely in time.  Isaac on the other hand, takes on a double block from the tackle and TE, extends the tackle out, then sheds the block to get behind the OT with a clear path to the QB.  Robinson had already blown the play up, but that's a win by Isaac.

Again at 3:25, Robinson just powers the C into the backfield, while Isaac gets on the outside of the RT and shows bend getting to the QB, with both closing in at the same time.

4:00, Chop speed rushes around the LT (shows a little bend) and strips the ball.  Isaac is locked up on the RT, but is in control, which he shows by immediately shedding the block and recovering said fumble.

Short game, but illustrative.  Chop is all potential, while Isaac is much more polished.  Isaac is not the elite athlete that Chop is, but he's not just a finesse guy either.  And I'll take a guy who plays the position well with sufficient athleticism over a combine star you have to develop from a raw state any day.

Both honestly could stand for another year of development 

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On 2/9/2024 at 9:10 AM, MSURacerDT55 said:

Both honestly could stand for another year of development 

These same things were said about WA. WA was all power and straight line with a little bend. Depending on what happens in FA and who's on the board at 1-23 Chop would be a fine pick. Chop has the power. 1st step quickness and speed/bend. He just needs to be coached up. Ryans is the guy to help Chop reach his full potential. Putting WA/Chop on the edges for the next 5-10 yrs is very enticing.

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Some stats and evaluations:

PFF Rnk Ovrl Drft 40YD Pos Edge Defender      University Tall Lbs PsRu RunD TPsR PRWR RnSt
             Buzz Time 
14. 2nd 81.6 89.1 4.45 ED1 Dallas Turner      Alabama    6'4" 242 89.3 69.8 90.7 19.6  4.2
15. 3rd 84.4 88.7 4.59 ED2 Jared Verse        Florida St 6'4" 260 90.8 65.3 90.9 21.8  6.6
18. 1st 96.3 90.8 4.70 ED3 Laiatu Latu        UCLA       6'5" 265 94.3 82.1 94.5 26.2  6.9
25. 5th 88.1 86.7 4.71 ED4 Bralen Trice       Washington 6'4" 274 90.8 72.1 91.9 17.6  6.3
34. 8th 81.0 85.9 4.60 ED5 Chris Braswell     Alabama    6'3" 255 87.9 67.2 85.1 18.2  5.4
36. 7th 85.7 86.3 4.70 ED6 Jonah Elliss       Utah       6'2" 246 90.1 67.3 90.6 17.7  5.7
38.  18 83.1 82.6 4.78 ED7 Darius Robinson    Missouri   6'5" 296 78.4 81.4 83.2 17.0  8.0
48. 4th 90.8 86.8 4.60 ED8 Chop Robinson      Penn St    6'3" 250 92.3 76.3 93.1 20.9  5.9
58. 9th 81.7 85.4 4.60 ED9 Adisa Isaac        Penn St    6'4" 254 72.9 82.4 78.3 13.0 11.4
70.  23 82.2 80.3 4.76 E10 Austin Booker      Kansas     6'6" 245 80.6 78.5 88.2 14.8 10.2
81.  15 90.9 83.4 4.48 E11 Javon Solomon      Troy       6'2" 245 90.9 81.9 91.4 17.1  7.5
96.  14 80.7 83.6 4.80 E12 Marshawn Kneeland  W Michigan 6'3" 275 84.7 83.4 87.3 17.3 11.0
110  16 73.5 83.0 4.70 E13 Nelson Ceaser      Houston    6'3" 250 71.3 76.6 76.7 13.6  7.2
128  43 74.7 75.8 4.49 E14 Xavier Thomas      Clemson    6'2" 255 79.8 73.0 79.6 17.1  5.1
133  19 78.7 82.0 4.90 E15 Justin Eboigbe     Alabama    6'5" 292 63.2 86.4 62.4  7.9  8.9
135  17 85.9 82.9 4.62 E16 Mohamed Kamara     ColoradoSt 6'1" 250 91.2 72.2 92.6 19.4  5.1
137  15 85.2 84.3 4.72 E17 Gabriel Murphy     UCLA       6'3" 260 87.5 77.1 88.0 18.4  8.4
148  24 76.6 80.0 4.74 E18 Grayson Murphy     UCLA       6'3" 260 85.2 74.4 83.3 14.8  9.6
155  37 74.1 78.2 4.68 E19 Braiden McGregor   Michigan   6'6" 267 75.1 69.9 74.5 15.5  9.7
183  33 82.3 79.8 4.75 E20 Brennan Jackson    Wash State 6'4" 264 76.6 78.2 74.2 11.8  4.9
188  29 66.0 80.3 4.65 E21 Cedric Johnson     Ole Miss   6'3" 265 68.6 59.3 67.0  9.9  4.8
197  36 76.9 78.3 4.55 E22 Jaylen Harrell     Michigan   6'4" 242 85.7 73.2 85.3 19.7  3.0
200  14 85.0 80.1 4.62 E23 Jasheen Davis      WakeForest 6'3" 259 86.1 76.6 75.4 14.5  4.2
228  12 73.1 74.7 4.62 E24 Steve Linton       Texas Tech 6'5" 235 87.1 55.1 91.9 18.9  8.6
233  69 74.2 68.0 4.80 E25 Khalid Duke        Kansas St  6'4" 246 68.8 75.1 70.3 11.9  4.3
             Buzz Time 
PFF Rnk Ovrl Drft 40YD Pos Edge Defender      University Tall Lbs PsRu RunD TPsR PRWR RnSt


Key:

PFF = PFF Power ranking.
Rnk = Draft Buzz position rank.
Ovrl = PFF rating from 2023 (or earlier if marked ^)
Drft-Buzz = Draft Buzz rating.
Pos = PFF Big Board position rank.
PsRu = True Pass Rush grade.
RunD = Run Defense grade.
TPsR = True Pass Set Pass Rush grade.
PRWR = Pass Rush Win Rate.
RnSt = Run Stop Rate.

 

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On 2/9/2024 at 3:42 AM, Scoundrel said:

I really like Mohamed Kamara’s film… I don’t know that he has NFL length though and I don’t like that he apparently turns 25 in May (only age I could find on him)…

He's older and lacks size and length, but incredibly productive player with 22.5 sacks and 33.5 TFLs in the last 28 games. Just showed out at the combine with a 1.57 10 yard split and great jumps. Teams with an edge need in a weak class should be queuing to get him 3rd round. 

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Kamara was definitely one of the more impressive looking guys in the field drills too. Eating my words a bit, but so was Chop Robinson.

Cedric Johnson had a good day as well imo. I liked his play in Ole Miss’s bowl game, but now I think I will have to watch more of his tape.

Kneeland was on one of the NFL Network guys’ top 50, and I have not seen any of his tape, but he looked like JAG. Booker was nothing to write home about either. Missed opportunity for them.

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Thoughts on Jalyx Hunt from Houston Christian? Small school mid-to-late round sleeper?

HEIGHT: 6-4 (54%*)

WEIGHT: 252 (14%*)
HANDS: 10 (56%*)

ARM: 34 3/8 (67%*)
SPAN: 82 7/8 (86%*)
FORTY: 4.64 (C) (89%*)    
10 YARD: 1.60 (C) (81%*)
VERTICAL: 37.5 (C) (91%*)

BROAD: 128 (C) (98%*)
BENCH: 19 (C) (17%*)

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Loving watching Latu’s tape. He has more hand skill and moves than many veteran edge rushers. Very impressive. 
 

I worry he could be decleated by big powerful OTs, but in terms of skill and explosion, he’s got it. Edge 1, for me

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On 3/2/2024 at 9:33 AM, Daniel said:

 Kneeland was on one of the NFL Network guys’ top 50, and I have not seen any of his tape, but he looked like JAG. Booker was nothing to write home about either. Missed opportunity for them.

I keep seeing both these guys high, and I keep trying to find positive film on either.   Don’t understand the hype on either 

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