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[PossibleCabbage]

2019 was really the only bad Day 3 that Gute had.  2018 had MVS which is a home run for a 5th. 2020 had Runyan who is good and Garvin who has a chance.  2021 it's too early to give up on Newman, Slaton, or Hill.  Like the hitrate in 5th and later is like 11%.

[Mazrimiv]

Just now, PossibleCabbage said:

2019 was really the only bad Day 3 that Gute had.  2018 had MVS which is a home run for a 5th. 2020 had Runyan who is good and Garvin who has a chance.  2021 it's too early to give up on Newman, Slaton, or Hill.  Like the hitrate in 5th and later is like 11%.

Yeah.  That looks like Gute doesn't do all that bad on day 3.

[Mr Bad Example]

5 hours ago, TheEagle said:

Yeah, he has a lot of good information, but I could do without the overall tone of the article.

The thing that cracked me up most recently was in his WR breakdown he had one WR at 5'11" 200 as "undersized" and another at 6'1" 200 as a "big receiver"....maybe there are more than two WR types, I dunno Bob. 

[Donzo]

8 hours ago, Leader said:

Bob McGinn dissects the 2022 draft class in Green Bay, in which he believes the general manager waited too long at receiver and drafted one player his predecessor never would have.

As has been pointed out here (a great old thread when the board had a lot of high level football conversation) and other boards, mcidiot is a liar and a parasite "journalist".

With that said this is mostly a fair take.

[Mr Bad Example]

4 hours ago, Refugee said:

I have a friend who I talk Packers with who  still takes McGinn’s words as gospel. (Haven’t told him about this board because we get in long, multilayered arguments and we get enough of that already). I still call him Bitter Bob just to tick my friend off but there is some truth to it. Also true that he can be thoughtful and has insights other writers barely scratch the surface on. I don’t mind being critical, but it has to be under the context of the rest of the league, who are also not batting 1.000. If we make team building mistakes, you have to put it in light of what we were hoping to do and it just not working out. 

 

That's one of the things about criticizing Gute (and Ted, back in the day) that people miss - "oh man, x of y picks are no good!" 

And, sure, it's true but HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER GMS is the important part. I'd expect if you're getting paid for this you would look at say, Les Snead or John Lynch's track record and say "compared to these two, Gute is better/worse" 

[Donzo]

1 hour ago, Sandy said:

King played 28% of the snaps last year and wasn't asked to handle any top receivers. He barely played at all on ST.  I don't understand why everyone wants him back. We have 5th string CBs.

I was surprised they brought him back after he sh*t himself in the 2021 NFCCG and paid him 2x his what he should of received. 😒

[TheEagle]

2 hours ago, craig said:

I don't see the problem with the McGinn notes that Leader shared.  At least from what Leaders quoted.  1.  He listed Gute's 1st and 2nd rounders:  Excellent success rate!  2.  He listed Gute's free agency work:  Excellent success rate.  3.  He said that scouts/GM's around the league had positive things to say about this year's draft picks.  4.  And he said that 4th-7th round, and 3rd round, have been unproductive.  True, true, true, and true I'd say?  

I don't see much problem with that, or untrue to reality?  It's true, Gute hasn't hit much on the 3rd day or the 3rd round.  What's bitter about that? 

Plus, Bakhti notwithstanding, even 3rd-day picks that eventually go down as successes, how many are successes early on?  Give Newman a 2nd-year jump, and give Deguara a second-season-in-action jump, and both might end up profiling as being solid good-value 3rd-day picks.  Three years from now, who knows but maybe we'll look back and see Newman/Deguara/Doubs/Tom as evidence of solid drafting, who knows yet?  

It’s not the information that I have problem with, it’s the tone. “Despite the lackluster history, maybe it was too much to expect” Gute to do what his precious scount’s think he should have done. Completely unnecessary. 4 of the best players from TT? 1) it’s not true (both Jaire and Gary are better/more important than Jones), 2) not really that surprising since 1 plays QB and another is a LT. It was a stretch to continue the general tone of the article.

That leads to an unrelated thought. At this point is Bakh really our 2nd best player anymore?

Edited May 5, 2022 by TheEagle

[Norm]

@CWood21

@Packerraymond

Unlock the draft game thread. Forgot all about it after it got pushed to page too.

 

[Leader]

1 hour ago, Donzo said:

As has been pointed out here (a great old thread when the board had a lot of high level football conversation) and other boards, mcidiot is a liar and a parasite "journalist".

With that said this is mostly a fair take.

So he's an idiot and a parasite...but with good takes. I got it

[incognito_man]

52 minutes ago, Norm said:

@CWood21

@Packerraymond

Unlock the draft game thread. Forgot all about it after it got pushed to page too.

 

 

[Norm]

Just now, incognito_man said:

 

It's a swype error *******

[Donzo]

12 hours ago, Leader said:

So he's an idiot and a parasite...but with good takes. I got it

No, not at all.

[vegas492]

18 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

He gave up 17 yards to Higgins the week after Ja went down. In KC he gave up 21 yards against Hardman and Hill. He was PFF's highest graded player on the field in the shutout of Sea. Then he missed the LAR game with injury and got benched for Rasul (which he should've). He scored his best PFF grade of his career and had the lowest missed tackle % of his career. 

I don't see any reason why trusting him more than Nixon, Ento or SJC should be any sort of controversy. Whether he wants to sign on to be CB #4 is a different story. If he does, it's an easy one for me. 

Then why is he unsigned?  He sounds like he is an amazing player.  Surely someone who posted those kinds of stats would be a highly sought after FA.  

Maybe it is because the body of work is not as glowing?

Again, as a #4, that is fine.  I can actually get behind it.  But we've already got a kid who scored BETTER  than King last year on PFF.  And he's cheap.  And he can play specials.

[R T]

19 minutes ago, vegas492 said:

Then why is he unsigned?  He sounds like he is an amazing player.  Surely someone who posted those kinds of stats would be a highly sought after FA.  

Maybe it is because the body of work is not as glowing?

Again, as a #4, that is fine.  I can actually get behind it.  But we've already got a kid who scored BETTER  than King last year on PFF.  And he's cheap.  And he can play specials.

Why was De'Vontre Campbell not signed at this time last season?

[Leader]

Rob Demovsky -  The Packers' rookie salary pool is $12,850,431 -- that's the total salary-cap space needed for their draft class. Without counting that, the Packers had about $15M in cap space. No. 28 overall pick Devonate Wyatt, who signed, accounts for $2.338M of the rookie pool.