vike daddy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: With the details from the arrest affidavit, I’m not sure I’d even be willing to go that far. I’m not sure I’m ready to cut a guy over a misdemeanor that likely wouldn’t get you fired from a 9 to 5 job. yeah, but... the Vikings have to hold their players/employees to higher standards than societal norms. but yes, until we get all the details, from multiple sources, we just don't know for sure..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: With the details from the arrest affidavit, I’m not sure I’d even be willing to go that far. I’m not sure I’m ready to cut a guy over a misdemeanor that likely wouldn’t get you fired from a 9 to 5 job. Was it stupid? Yes. Should the team fine him, or suspend him for a week? Probably. But I’m not ready to cut a guy because he didn’t listen in a timely manner. I'm in that same camp of still withholding judgment on whether he should be cut or not. VD is correct in saying we should hold them to a higher standard of conduct, but I also believe in holding police to a higher standard of conduct too, and we've seen how that goes. So until I have more details, I can't come to a conclusive judgment one way or the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: With the details from the arrest affidavit, I’m not sure I’d even be willing to go that far. I’m not sure I’m ready to cut a guy over a misdemeanor that likely wouldn’t get you fired from a 9 to 5 job. Was it stupid? Yes. Should the team fine him, or suspend him for a week? Probably. But I’m not ready to cut a guy because he didn’t listen in a timely manner. I think your statement doesn't reflect every states, labor laws. An Virginia employer is well within the law to fire a person for even an alleged event. Which means, in Virginia, you can be terminated for being stupid on your own time. The laws in most southern states (I don't know about Florida) protect the employers. Employees don't have a whole lot of avenues for relief against wrongful termination. Perhaps, Minnesota has laws that protect employee rights?? Edited October 24, 2022 by Captain Relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Captain Relax said: I think your statement doesn't reflect every states, labor laws. An Virginia employer is well within the law to fire a person for even an alleged event. Which means, in Virginia, you can be terminated for being stupid on your own time. The laws in most southern states (I don't know about Florida) protect the employers. Employees don't have a whole lot of avenues for relief against wrongful termination. Perhaps, Minnesota has laws that protect employee rights?? I never said he couldn’t be fired over it. I’m saying most employers wouldn’t fire someone over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 3 hours ago, vike daddy said: you do understand, don't you, that he hasn't been charged or even accused of any form of predatory behavior? just entering a womens' bathroom, being asked to leave, and refusing to do so. if local law enforcement, who were actually on the scene and witnessing the event, didn't feel it was predatory, why do you think you iunderstand the situation better? Like the US has a good history of protecting women in cases like this. I hope y'all enjoy making excuses for this. Bye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: Like the US has a good history of protecting women in cases like this. I hope y'all enjoy making excuses for this. Bye. It's not making an excuse to not rush to judgment. It's what juries are supposed to do every day. If everyone just entered the jury box and already had their mind made up based on this type of information, that would clearly be a case of a failure of justice and the system would be even more flawed than it already is. You may as well just lock up everyone who's ever accused of anything and just throw away the key. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Brian Banks enters the chat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 hours ago, vike daddy said: you do understand, don't you, that he hasn't been charged or even accused of any form of predatory behavior? just entering a womens' bathroom, being asked to leave, and refusing to do so. if local law enforcement, who were actually on the scene and witnessing the event, didn't feel it was predatory, why do you think you iunderstand the situation better? Udoh made a D'oh move. Now he'll be U...nemployed. I won't go into defending predators and instead just focus on football. Do you guys think this incident will have much of an impact on our team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: Do you guys think this incident will have much of an impact on our team? No. It'll probably have about the same impact as when Sebastian Thunderbucket (aka Tom Johnson) was arrested for staying in a restaurant after close and the police having to use a taser on him to get him to leave when he resisted arrest. Edited October 24, 2022 by swede700 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: Like the US has a good history of protecting women in cases like this. I hope y'all enjoy making excuses for this. Bye. You keep bringing up women like someone was threatened. There has been no report or indication that someone felt threatened or that they needed protecting. You are making massive assumptions to reach a conclusion that there is no evidence or reason to support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, PrplChilPill said: Like the US has a good history of protecting women in cases like this. I hope y'all enjoy making excuses for this. Bye. they're ain't another man i know personally who has done more for womens' rights and protections than me, i am proud to say. that includes being an Executive Director of both a womens' shelter organization and a family violence protection organization. also helping to elect female candidates to public office, managing their campaigns. that being said, rights of all individuals have to be protected, and we're yet to see any relevant info that the Vikings player was threatening, intimidating, violent, or abusive. we may very well find such info as this situation rolls forward, but at this time we do not have it. a rush to judgment of actions he hasn't even been charged or accused of is hasty and at this time at least unwarranted. subject to change in the near future, but that's what we know now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Udoh was at Club E11even in the downtown Miami entertainment district when at around 3 a.m. Saturday an off-duty police officer "observed the side door to the club swing open and multiple security guards attempting to restrain an aggressive" man, later identified as Udoh. Udoh allegedly "continued actively and physically resisting officers and all verbal commands that were given to him," the police report claims. A security guard from the club told police that Udoh was talking to a woman who was in line to use the women's bathroom when he "attempted to make entry" into the restroom. Udoh then allegedly refused to leave the bathroom, prompting security staff to force him out of the club. The 25-year-old backup lineman was eventually taken into custody, though the police report accuses Udoh of stopping himself from walking to make it difficult for police to escort him to a squad vehicle. Udoh is facing two charges: resisting arrest without violence, and disorderly conduct. https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/vikings/more-details-released-about-vikings-oli-udoh-arrest-in-miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Did he spend too much time hanging around with McKinnie while he was down there? Sounds very childish of him, and at least based on this information, he appears to have been aggressive with the police, not with the female. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, swede700 said: Did he spend too much time hanging around with McKinnie while he was down there? Sounds very childish of him, and at least based on this information, he appears to have been aggressive with the police, not with the female. which in my eyes is enough to cut him from the team, you have to draw a line, and he crossed it with law enforcement. but he's not being accused of predatory or abusive behavior, as a few of us are stating. that one right doesn't cancel out his one wrong, but so far it appears this could have been far more dangerous to others than some here are feeling did occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: I don't think there is any need to mince words here. Its a predator move. Want to be protective? Stand outside and wait. Want to be a predator? Go inside and don't leave. Cut him. Why is he either a predator or a protector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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