malibuspeedrace Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Molina and Wainwright though…… Halls of very good if I had a say. old, but interesting https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/yadier-molina-baseball-hall-of-fame-chances-stats-cardinals/x0mcav2e5xel1tv3a42toff6y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, malibuspeedrace said: Halls of very good if I had a say. old, but interesting https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/yadier-molina-baseball-hall-of-fame-chances-stats-cardinals/x0mcav2e5xel1tv3a42toff6y Hall of Very Good is what the baseball HOF does best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 10 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: 10 hours ago, malibuspeedrace said: Halls of very good if I had a say. old, but interesting https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/yadier-molina-baseball-hall-of-fame-chances-stats-cardinals/x0mcav2e5xel1tv3a42toff6y Hall of Very Good is what the baseball HOF does best. Baseball historians: Is Barry Bonds in the Hall of Fame? That guy was the greatest of all time! Committee: No, but can I introduce you to Bert Blylevin or Harold Baines? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 40 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Baseball historians: Is Barry Bonds in the Hall of Fame? That guy was the greatest of all time! Committee: No, but can I introduce you to Bert Blylevin or Harold Baines? Or even his contemporaries like Bagwell or Musina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Or even his contemporaries like Bagwell or Musina. If Musina never plays in NY he's not even considered. I don't like the person, but the player Curt Schilling is infinitely more talented as a pitcher and more impactful than Moose ever was. At least Bagwell won an MVP in 1994, hit almost .300 (.297) with 3 silver sluggers, a gold glove, and 449 HR. Harold Baines did none of those things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Just now, MWil23 said: If Musina never plays in NY he's not even considered. I don't like the person, but the player Curt Schilling is infinitely more talented as a pitcher and more impactful than Moose ever was. Yeah it’s the baseball HOF, not the political views HOF. He and especially Clemens deserve to be in over him as far as pitchers go, no question. Just now, MWil23 said: At least Bagwell won an MVP in 1994, hit almost .300 (.297) with 3 silver sluggers, a gold glove, and 449 HR. Harold Baines did none of those things. Sure, and I don’t mean to crap on his career, he was great. But when guys like Sosa, McGuire, Bonds, ARod, Manny, etc are on the sidelines and played at the same time that Bagwell (and likely to be elected Scott Rolen) did, it’s hard to say they’re deserving. And Bagwell’s whole case is kinda funny. Like, I don’t think he’s as deserving as the other guys I listed, but you can make a case for him. Like, he won an MVP. During the steroid era. As in, better than all the dudes ON steroids, but he was clean. I’m skeptical. Top of my head there are like 2 guys from that era I’m willing to accept may not have taken gear at some point, Thome and Griffey. That’s prolly it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I always thought Jeff Bagwell looked like the dude from Metallica (but on steroids obv). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Yeah it’s the baseball HOF, not the political views HOF. He and especially Clemens deserve to be in over him as far as pitchers go, no question. Sure, and I don’t mean to crap on his career, he was great. But when guys like Sosa, McGuire, Bonds, ARod, Manny, etc are on the sidelines and played at the same time that Bagwell (and likely to be elected Scott Rolen) did, it’s hard to say they’re deserving. And Bagwell’s whole case is kinda funny. Like, I don’t think he’s as deserving as the other guys I listed, but you can make a case for him. Like, he won an MVP. During the steroid era. As in, better than all the dudes ON steroids, but he was clean. I’m skeptical. Top of my head there are like 2 guys from that era I’m willing to accept may not have taken gear at some point, Thome and Griffey. That’s prolly it. IMO you either keep them all out or let them all in. Them letting Big Papi in despite a positive test this year was nothing short of hypocritically laughable. I guess we let him in because he's "loveable" to the media when Bonds, Clemends, and Schilling were surly. It's a joke. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Schilling not being in the hof because his political views is a joke. Baseball writers are the most smug POS in sports. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 39 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Schilling not being in the hof because his political views is a joke. Baseball writers are the most smug POS in sports. Wasn’t he also in the PED discussion? I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in the HOF, just that it’s not just the opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End Run Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Wasn’t he also in the PED discussion? I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in the HOF, just that it’s not just the opinions. He was pretty outspoken as anti-PED. Testified in front of Congress, wanted them to go hard against it. Put Jose Canseco on blast in the process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, End Run said: 44 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Wasn’t he also in the PED discussion? I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in the HOF, just that it’s not just the opinions. He was pretty outspoken as anti-PED. Testified in front of Congress, wanted them to go hard against it. Put Jose Canseco on blast in the process. Yep. He was very anti PED. I'd be very surprised given his outspoken nature if he was on PEDs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 40 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Yep. He was very anti PED. I'd be very surprised given his outspoken nature if he was on PEDs. Idk man, sometimes the ones proclaiming to be the most innocent are in fact not. Not sayin he did or didn’t, but grandstanding doesn’t mean much to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Idk man, sometimes the ones proclaiming to be the most innocent are in fact not. Not sayin he did or didn’t, but grandstanding doesn’t mean much to me. Yeah, I don't trust many athletes/celebrities. I do know that he burned down every player bridge he had over PED, so maybe he's just a surly scorched earth persona regardless of his own guilt, but whether people agree with him or not, he seems fairly rooted in his beliefs, so that would surprise (albeit not shock) me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Wasn’t he also in the PED discussion? I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in the HOF, just that it’s not just the opinions. Idk maybe. He just never looked like a steroid user to me. He didn’t have the giant head or massive McGwire forearms. He always looked like someone’s chubby dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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