Yo Denzel Ward

[brownie man]

 

see if you can pick him out

he's another level of athlete 

[Rod Johnson]

44 minutes ago, mistakey said:

Lol woah there bud Stalin killed 20 million soviets were just fans let’s leave the hyperbole out of this 

public opinion impacts changes in the franchise.  Maybe if we don’t get up in arms we don’t change coaches every 3 months.  Draft isn’t even 1/7th of the way Over and people are chicken littleing cause they didn’t get their way 

bunch of babies

Public opinions don’t impact the franchise in April, it impacts it in January.  You’ve been a Browns fan long enough to know this.  I’ve been one of the few posters in here happy we’ve retained Hue and I still don’t see your point.

[Iamcanadian]

1 minute ago, buckeyesNut0623 said:

I'm not a fan of Mayfield but Ward has the potential to be a Pro Bowl CB imo. I don't think the same about Chubb who I do think is good not great so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there. I like the Ward pick, Baker might take some time to grow on me but time will tell. 

I see it different. With Garrett on one side and Chubb on the other, Garrett would get all the double teams allowing Chubb to rack up 10+ sacks a year to go with Garrett's 12+ sacks which is exactly how Denver will use him with Van Miller.

Nobody on NFL.com thought for a moment that Ward was a better player than Chubb, but they simply said it fit a need over talent and I just do not think you build a team drafting for need with the #4 pick over talent. I guess time will tell!!!

[NudeTayne]

8 minutes ago, thebestever6 said:

I mean well see I think Cleveland could of done better or worse lol

Mayfield is the best player in the draft so we made the most important pick correctly and didn't get suckered into Darnold (unpopular take, I know).

5 minutes ago, brownie man said:

 

see if you can pick him out

he's another level of athlete 

Whoa.

[Iamcanadian]

2 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said:

Public opinions don’t impact the franchise in April, it impacts it in January.  You’ve been a Browns fan long enough to know this.  I’ve been one of the few posters in here happy we’ve retained Hue and I still don’t see your point.

Why would any team retain a HC that went 1-31 over 2 season, a NFL record by the way for ineptitude. Almost all the great HC's have followed a pattern when taking over a terrible franchise.

Season 1 - get rid of all the deadwood on the team and accept that you will completely stink in year 1

Season 2 - having gotten rid of the deadwood on the team, the great HC's usually either have an 8-8 season or come pretty close to it

Season 3 - They make the playoffs and go on to be a consistent threat to win a SB for most of their careers.

So far Hue it would seem, has gone backwards in season 2, from a 1 win season to a winless season and there is no way he will ever be a consistent winner IMO. The great HC's never put 2 miserable seasons back to back!!!

[Rod Johnson]

Just now, Iamcanadian said:

Why would any team retain a HC that went 1-31 over 2 season, a NFL record by the way for ineptitude. Almost all the great HC's have followed a pattern when taking over a terrible franchise.

Season 1 - get rid of all the deadwood on the team and accept that you will completely stink in year 1

Season 2 - having gotten rid of the deadwood on the team, the great HC's usually either have an 8-8 season or come pretty close to it

Season 3 - They make the playoffs and go on to be a consistent threat to win a SB for most of their careers.

So far Hue it would seem, has gone backwards in season 2, from a 1 win season to a winless season and there is no way he will ever be a consistent winner IMO. The great HC's never put 2 miserable seasons back to back!!!

Because he got enough endorsements by people closer to the situation and continually hiring/firing our HC after 2 years clearly creates a very toxic situation.  Basically.

[Iamcanadian]

1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said:

Because he got enough endorsements by people closer to the situation and continually hiring/firing our HC after 2 years clearly creates a very toxic situation.  Basically.

Yea, he was endorsed by Haslam, which by definition equates to being worth nothing.

I do agree that the 2 year FO turnover is toxic, but it just shows how incompetent Haslam is when it comes to hiring talented people. He simply hasn't a clue how to recognize talent, that is pretty obvious.

[FEARtheELF]

57 minutes ago, Iamcanadian said:

Ward is a talent, but he could not beat out Ohio St.'s starters in 2016 and only started for one year. He is simply not big enough to be a real star IMO, but that does not mean he will be a bad player. I think he will be solid, just not a star and with the #4 pick, you are looking for game changers.

Uhmmmmmmmm

The two other corners the he couldn’t “beat out” were 1st round picks last year.... and Ward was good enough to force himself on the field and take away time for two 1st round upperclassman  

[Don Roshi]

4 hours ago, Iamcanadian said:

3 years younger than Baker, he will also have a much longer career.

Two years and two months. Interested in hearing why you believe that Darnold will have a longer career than Mayfield. I'd go the other way based on play style.

[MWil23]

I picked him in my 7 picks mock, but said that we'd trade back to 8 or so. If he's the player that other man/press man corners from OSU have been of late (not named Eli Apple), then we'll be happy even if we did draft him about 2-4 slots too soon. 

That said, Dorsey is great at coming in and burning through draft assets and cap space that took about 3 years to get to. Hopefully he hit on both of these picks and hopefully he doesn't put us in an Armageddon type situation here soon. He's a riverboat gambler. I hope he's not another "football guy" that is 10 years behind everyone else based upon what he sees that remind him of _______________ who he drafted in 1992. That will get very old very quick.

[mistakey]

5 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

I picked him in my 7 picks mock, but said that we'd trade back to 8 or so. If he's the player that other man/press man corners from OSU have been of late (not named Eli Apple), then we'll be happy even if we did draft him about 2-4 slots too soon. 

That said, Dorsey is great at coming in and burning through draft assets and cap space that took about 3 years to get to. Hopefully he hit on both of these picks and hopefully he doesn't put us in an Armageddon type situation here soon. He's a riverboat gambler. I hope he's not another "football guy" that is 10 years behind everyone else based upon what he sees that remind him of _______________ who he drafted in 1992. That will get very old very quick.

We still have 69 million dollars in roll over cap space which will prob put us as close to 100 million next year and it’s not like this dude traded up for anyone.  A 3rd round pick for tyrod Taylor isn’t exactly burning through draft assets.

Additionally on the contrary, this dude drafted the guy who lead nearly every raw and advanced statistic that the nerds said was super important.  The eye test shows that the player is also the most accurate qb and has great anticipation and a good enough arm.  The reality said this dude was a walk-on at 2 places and he devours playbooks for breakfast and the second hand knowledge says he was the best on the whiteboard by far. 

 

How is that 10 years behind everyone else? Wouldn’t takin Darnold cause he was the young stud from southern cal with the ideal measurables but iffy but moldable footwork and a fixable turnover problem the classic 1992 thing?

 

additionally John Dorsey was a gm last year for a team that went to the playoffs so it’s not Like this dude is completely inept at figuring out what players play well in this league 

[MWil23]

6 minutes ago, mistakey said:

We still have 69 million dollars in roll over cap space which will prob put us as close to 100 million next year and it’s not like this dude traded up for anyone.  A 3rd round pick for tyrod Taylor isn’t exactly burning through draft assets.

I'm strictly speaking of "value" at 1 and 4. Like I said elsewhere, if both picks pan out, no one will care if we reached by a couple of picks. I'm honestly a believer that you don't get cute and you always take your guy, even if it's 1-4 spots too soon. No reason to gamble.

6 minutes ago, mistakey said:

Additionally on the contrary, this dude drafted the guy who lead nearly every raw and advanced statistic that the nerds said was super important.  The eye test shows that the player is also the most accurate qb and has great anticipation and a good enough arm.  The reality said this dude was a walk-on at 2 places and he devours playbooks for breakfast and the second hand knowledge says he was the best on the whiteboard by far. 

In the other thread I said that Baker is allegedly a playbook savant. Let's hope he is. It's not like Texas Tech and OU are complicated playbooks either though. Let's not fool ourselves here.

6 minutes ago, mistakey said:

How is that 10 years behind everyone else?

I said HOPEFULLY he's not, like Holmgren, Farmer, Clark, etc.

6 minutes ago, mistakey said:

Wouldn’t takin Darnold cause he was the young stud from southern cal with the ideal measurables but iffy but moldable footwork and a fixable turnover problem the classic 1992 thing?

No, not really. See: Big Ben, DeShaun Watson, Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton (footwork). Drafting a gunslinger with questionable fundamentals/throwing across their body, ad libbing outside of the playbook regularly like Mahommes or Baker hoping that you can get the next Brett Favre or Steve Young is.

6 minutes ago, mistakey said:

additionally John Dorsey was a gm last year for a team that went to the playoffs so it’s not Like this dude is completely inept at figuring out what players play well in this league 

Hopefully he drafts like he did in KC. We'll see in the next two years. 

[buno67]

6 hours ago, TheeRealDeal said:

Bradley Chubb is literally the only non QB in this draft that I would have taken over Denzel Ward and even then it was a toss up for me.

Browns fans just doing what Browns fans do best. 

Maybe its not really the media who brings a constant cloud of negativity around all things Browns. Maybe it has been the fan base the whole time.

You want something to change in Cleveland? I honestly think the only thing we haven't tried changing in 20 years of losing is the constant whining and bitching about every pick second after the pick as if the kid already failed in that blink of an eye. How about Browns fans try to change and maybe things will change for Browns fans?

I agree. Browns piece together one of the best FOs they have had since the return. You have people who have made a living building great teams. Teams that went to the playoffs and now they were in charge of putting together the browns. We get upset that we don’t want to trust them. What has Dorsey Wolfe and Highsmith done to not be trust. Can’t kill them for the sins of others. 

HEE HEE

[mistakey]

14 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

I'm strictly speaking of "value" at 1 and 4. Like I said elsewhere, if both picks pan out, no one will care if we reached by a couple of picks. I'm honestly a believer that you don't get cute and you always take your guy, even if it's 1-4 spots too soon. No reason to gamble.

In the other thread I said that Baker is allegedly a playbook savant. Let's hope he is. It's not like Texas Tech and OU are complicated playbooks either though. Let's not fool ourselves here.

I said HOPEFULLY he's not, like Holmgren, Farmer, Clark, etc.

No, not really. See: Big Ben, DeShaun Watson, Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton (footwork). Drafting a gunslinger with questionable fundamentals/throwing across their body, ad libbing outside of the playbook regularly like Mahommes or Baker hoping that you can get the next Brett Favre or Steve Young is.

Hopefully he drafts like he did in KC. We'll see in the next two years. 

Manning was drafted 20 years ago, Big Ben 14, Ryan 10.  Not sure what point you’re trying to make here

[mistakey]

I mean this is the gm who drafted the 6’0” Marcus peters so maybe this dude does know corners