skibrett15 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, BrettFavre004 said: Dee Ford + Justin Houston + 4th 2nd + 6th + Nick Perry it's just so complicated it might work! Then you realize 11.1M for pre June 1 dead cap for perry... plus the huge contracts of ford and houston... yeah it's tough to spend almost 50M in cap at that position and still not be a top team at the position. If it's post June 1, then it's more palatable at ~4M dead cap for perry plus 21M for Houston plus 15+ for Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Well forget the complicated trade because Justin Houston was released by KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Dee Ford Year Age Team G GS INT PD FF Sack TFL Hits Snaps Snaps/Play 2014 23 KAN 16 0 0 1 1,5 1 5 122 14,4 2015 24 KAN 14 5 0 2 4 6 11 479 20,8 2016 25 KAN 15 14 0 2 1 10 12 17 799 19,0 2017 26 KAN 6 6 0 1 1 2 4 7 316 21,1 2018 27 KAN 16 16 7 13 13 29 1022 16,5 TOTAL 67 41 0 6 9 30,5 36 69 2738 18,2 Nick Perry Year Age Team G GS INT PD FF Sack TFL Hits Snaps Snaps/Play 2012 22 GNB 6 5 0 1 2 1 2 198 33,0 2013 23 GNB 11 6 0 1 3 4 2 1 367 33,4 2014 24 GNB 15 4 0 1 1 3 4 3 358 29,8 2015 25 GNB 14 1 0 1 1 3,5 10 7 349 15,5 2016 26 GNB 14 12 1 4 11 12 16 603 13,7 2017 27 GNB 12 11 1 7 6 14 542 19,4 2018 28 GNB 9 9 0 3 1 1,5 2 3 302 28,8 TOTAL 81 48 1 11 7 32 37 46 2719 20,3 I was curious about that "2017 was only because he was injured" argument so I got some stats from PFR regarding both Perry and Ford. What I tried to do is reflect positive plays and obtain the ratio of such plays considering snaps played. In this scenario I considered the following plays: sacks, tackles for loss, passes defended, interceptions, forced fumbles and QB hits. I didn't assign any weight to each of them to try to avoid any bias - if you guys want me to run the numbers with any given weights, let me know. According to these numbers it seems Ford's production has been very consistent and the raw numbers only vary from year to year due to snaps played. Perry on the other hand has a lot more variation, including a terrible 2018. Also worth noting is that Ford has played more snaps in 5 years than Perry in 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpdaly23 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 18 hours ago, Donzo said: Adams was a big producer in 2016 and 2017 (especially factoring in his production without Rodgers). 2017 was his contract year. 2016 he was not a “big producer”- he didn’t even have 1000 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cpdaly23 said: 2017 was his contract year. 2016 he was not a “big producer”- he didn’t even have 1000 yards. 75 receptions for 997 yards and 12 touchdowns isn't being a big producer? And you're really going to use "he didn't even have 1000 yards" without acknowledging he was only three yards short of that? Three?! That's really your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpdaly23 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Kepler said: 75 receptions for 997 yards and 12 touchdowns isn't being a big producer? And you're really going to use "he didn't even have 1000 yards" without acknowledging he was only three yards short of that? Three?! That's really your argument? The original point made in this thread is that Dee Ford only had a “monster” season in a contract year. He had 10 sacks in 2016. And yes, while Adams 2016 season was good, a 997 yard, 75 catch season is NOT a monster year, and is probably pretty close to Dee Ford’s 10 sack season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 This is what I expected, Gutey’s waiting to see who he can get in free agency before going after Ford. Maybe if San Fran signs a big edge it drops Fords price a bit? https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/11/packers-willing-to-wait-on-pursuing-trade-for-chiefs-olb-dee-ford/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said: This is what I expected, Gutey’s waiting to see who he can get in free agency before going after Ford. Maybe if San Fran signs a big edge it drops Fords price a bit? https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/11/packers-willing-to-wait-on-pursuing-trade-for-chiefs-olb-dee-ford/ yep good plan. let the potential buyers drop out of the bidding war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 It's smart to wait the Dee Ford thing out a bit. Nobody wants to give up a top 50 pick while also having to pay top dollar to sign the guy. He's not a good fit any longer in KC, so they aren't going to want to pay him franchise tag money either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetana34 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 hours ago, {Family Ghost} said: It's smart to wait the Dee Ford thing out a bit. Nobody wants to give up a top 50 pick while also having to pay top dollar to sign the guy. He's not a good fit any longer in KC, so they aren't going to want to pay him franchise tag money either. Is it though? After the FA market dries up, the teams that missed out will turn their attention to Ford, causing his price to rise. I'm not on board with shipping a 2nd for Ford, but I would hate it if a bidding war resulted in us having to ship a 1st instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, smetana34 said: Is it though? After the FA market dries up, the teams that missed out will turn their attention to Ford, causing his price to rise. I'm not on board with shipping a 2nd for Ford, but I would hate it if a bidding war resulted in us having to ship a 1st instead You just have to set your price and not stray from it ... take your best shot and then move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Cpdaly23 said: The original point made in this thread is that Dee Ford only had a “monster” season in a contract year. He had 10 sacks in 2016. And yes, while Adams 2016 season was good, a 997 yard, 75 catch season is NOT a monster year, and is probably pretty close you Dee Ford’s 10 sack season. I said big producer. 12 touchdowns is a big producer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 As small a fan as I am of signing both the Smiths, I'd have been livid if we traded a second round pick for Ford as it looks like the Niners have just agreed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Why is this thread alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just now, Norm said: Why is this thread alive Because I have to find solace somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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