AlexGreen#20 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Just now, coachbuns said: Not sure any of that (Perry and Jones comparison to Z) would make sense to any fan. Watching Z play and then watching those other 2 play … not even close. Jones from 2015 had really good pressure stats as an interior rusher. It was only the one year before he sorta lost his mind, but he was really good in that role. That's why he's hung around in the league for a few years. Perry had an 11 sack season with really good pressure metrics in 2016. Combine those two seasons and you basically have Z. Smith's game. How far back do you have to go to find an elite power rusher that can kick inside to 3T on the Packers? Reggie White basically, depending on how much you like/remember Kampman in that role? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Jones from 2015 had really good pressure stats as an interior rusher. It was only the one year before he sorta lost his mind, but he was really good in that role. That's why he's hung around in the league for a few years. Perry had an 11 sack season with really good pressure metrics in 2016. Combine those two seasons and you basically have Z. Smith's game. How far back do you have to go to find an elite power rusher that can kick inside to 3T on the Packers? Reggie White basically, depending on how much you like/remember Kampman in that role? Dude was born to play 4-3 power end. He was Jared Allen without the antics. ---- Boy did Z have a coming out party. I was at a huge Christmas Party at the Hershey mansion last night and every time I turned around Z was knocking Cousins on his @$$. Loved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACKRULE Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Please calm the hell down. White and Woodson weren't getting ticketed for driving the rookies back from Chicago with a bunch of weed in the car. Just because a guy is a great player doesn't make him saintly. The question was whether Z was up there as an FA signing not whether he was an HOFr. I answered the question correctly and you took it to the massive pot scandal that was never there. Seriously as an FA signing it has been absolutely huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coachbuns Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Jones from 2015 had really good pressure stats as an interior rusher. It was only the one year before he sorta lost his mind, but he was really good in that role. That's why he's hung around in the league for a few years. Perry had an 11 sack season with really good pressure metrics in 2016. Combine those two seasons and you basically have Z. Smith's game. How far back do you have to go to find an elite power rusher that can kick inside to 3T on the Packers? Reggie White basically, depending on how much you like/remember Kampman in that role? Oh I get it. Point being, you need 2 seasons of Perry to equal 1 not yet to be done season for Z. Stay tuned for the next few years .. it's just begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Ravens fans seem to get a little salty when you even bring up the possibility of letting this guy go being a mistake. obviously osuly they’re still a very good team, but imagine if they had him playing like this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, coachbuns said: Oh I get it. Point being, you need 2 seasons of Perry to equal 1 not yet to be done season for Z. Stay tuned for the next few years .. it's just begun. I mean, Perry's best year was 11 sacks, Smith will likely finish at 14.5. We're not talking about massive differences in production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I mean, Perry's best year was 11 sacks, Smith will likely finish at 14.5. We're not talking about massive differences in production. 25% more is good with me. 11 is decent but was his best .. more to come from Z. I'm thinking Z's pressure rate and tackles for loss far exceeds Perry's. Sacks are nice but doesn't tell the whole story. I'll take Z in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I mean, Perry's best year was 11 sacks, Smith will likely finish at 14.5. We're not talking about massive differences in production. I think it safe to say Z is outperforming anything Perry ever did. Stats and data not withstanding, I dont recall Perry ever being this dominant a presence on an every down basis. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I mean, Perry's best year was 11 sacks, Smith will likely finish at 14.5. We're not talking about massive differences in production. Um pressure rate would argue... as well as how often he is doubled teamed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Green19 said: Um pressure rate would argue... as well as how often he is doubled teamed Do you have Perry's pressure rates from that year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy86 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Outpost31 said: Preston Smith will not turn out to be worth his contract. I'm okay with what we did to get him because that's the cost of acquiring an above average EDGE who hits free agency. He's just that though. Above average. You sir, are a maniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, Billy86 said: You sir, are a maniac. He’s above average. It’s the truth. I’m not saying he sucks, and above average is not a terrible thing. Bad, below average, average, above average, elite. Where else would you put him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Billy86 said: You sir, are a maniac. I agree with OP’s take. Preston Smith all things considered is probably the 30th best edge in football making 18th money (per over the cap). He’s probably 2-3m a year overpaid but I can live with that. It is better than Clay Making 10 and being worth 4-5 like the previous few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, pacman5252 said: probably the 30th best edge in football making 18th money (per over the cap) Agreeing with you here, but how many of those are on rookie deals who if they were FAs next year would totally blow that up? Push him back top 30 I'm sure? That's FA in a nutshell, you need to use it but you obviously can't compete with rookie deals or prove it deals when guys show out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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