resilient part 2 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Yeah, I mean before Zion I think the last 3 POTYs were all 2nd round picks, but they were guards + like you said, weak class. Still thinking he'll end up a 2nd rounder. Just not a good fit in modern NBA. He's only an average athlete, which in turn projects him as a guy who would struggle covering NBA PnR and guys in space, and his main source of scoring is on post ups, which NBA shies more and more away from every year. He can shoot, so stretch 4 is his best bet where he could have a size advantage and not be tasked with rim protection, but that would also require him to defend opposing 4s which I'm not sure he could do. Unless you're an Embiid, great size + athlete, or a Jokic, great size + skill, you're probably not going to be able to make a living as a post up player in the NBA in 2020. Garza's bread and butter is beating you before he even receives the ball from what I've seen, then once he gets the ball he's got deep enough position that he can just sink the short hook. Not going to be able to get deep position in the NBA consistently, not even 7 ft 290 lb Joker does unless he's got a switch. I could see him be a productive role player, but it seems teams don't touch you in the 1st unless they think you could become a key cog, even if odds of reaching ceiling are very small. I'd take him in the 1st, I could see him develop into a Kanter level contributor. Garza is easily a top 10 pick 5-6 years ago. Remember Cody Zeller as a top 5 pick? Frank top 10? Unfortunate for him how much the NBA has changed in such little time. NBA wants athletic 7 footers who can run the floor and protect the rim. Just checked his video's on YouTube, you description is dead on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Haliburton's defensive instincts are crazy and okoro should prob be a top 5 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Jaden McDaniels is Brandon Ingram minus the skill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, 11sanchez11 said: and okoro should prob be a top 5 pick If only he could shoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, beekay414 said: If only he could shoot... Didn't realize how bad he was shooting from 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: Didn't realize how bad he was shooting from 3 Yep. It's the one thing holding him back from being in my top 5 or so. He's a terror on defense and an excellent finisher but he's absolutely no threat from anywhere else on the court offensively. Right now, he's a better version of Andre Roberson or Tony Allen. It's crazy to me how poorly top prospects have become at shooting the ball. Almost every single one has it as a knock against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 hours ago, beekay414 said: Yep. It's the one thing holding him back from being in my top 5 or so. He's a terror on defense and an excellent finisher but he's absolutely no threat from anywhere else on the court offensively. Right now, he's a better version of Andre Roberson or Tony Allen. It's crazy to me how poorly top prospects have become at shooting the ball. Almost every single one has it as a knock against them. AAU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 1:27 PM, beekay414 said: BK's Quick Top 141.) James Wiseman | C | Memphis - Best tools in the draft, bar none. He'll be my #1 barring someone blowing me away down the stretch.2.) Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia - If he could shoot, he'd be my #1. Has everything else you look for in a prospect but the shooting has a long ways to go.3.) Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington - Tantalizing tools all over the board. He's really raw but I could definitely see someone falling in love with him and taking him #1.4.) Cole Anthony | G | North Carolina - Injury derailed his season and he was off to a rough start due to having to shoulder a crazy load. Still the best scorer in this draft.5.) Tyrese Haliburton | PG | Iowa State - Everything you want in a modern NBA point guard. The only knock on him is athleticism. Could see him going #1 overall as well. This draft is wild.6.) Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona - First step isn't the greatest but he has a really good feel for the game. Needs to be a more consistent shooter in order to get the most out of his potential.7.) Obi Toppin | PF | Dayton - If he were a little younger, he'd be in my top 5. Think his NBA position is at the 3 but he needs to be more consistent on the perimeter. 8.) Onyeka Okongwu | C | Southern California - Kid is a monster on both ends of the court. Lots to like but he's not a modern day fit in the NBA so that knocks him down a peg. He could be Montrezl Harrell.9.) Vernon Carey Jr | C | Duke - Pretty much the same thing as OO above but he's shown the willingness to expand his game to the perimeter. If he gets that part of his game down, he's a top 4 prospect.10.) Deni Avdija | SF | Maccabi Tel Aviv - Has the size and scoring prowess to be a #2 scorer on a good team. Still hasn't put it all together but has the potential to be the best player from the class if it all clicks.11.) Precious Achiuwa | SF | Memphis - IF, and that's a huge if, the shooting is real (SSS - 12 3pt attempts all year), his ceiling becomes huge. A great rebounder from the 3 spot but absolutely needs to be able to shoot at the NBA level. Think he loses a lot of effectiveness if he has to play the 4 due to limited shooting ability.12.) Isaac Okoro | SF | Auburn - He's built like a Mack truck and is a major problem on the defensive end. Has All-NBA defense upside. Needs to learn to shoot if he wants to reach offensive ceiling, otherwise he's limited on the NBA level there.13.) Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech - With Isaiah Joe falling off the map, Ramsey is making the case as the best shooter in college basketball. Could end up inside the top 10 if he continues his shooting pace.14.) LaMelo Ball | PG | Illawarra - Yes, I suppose I'll rank him. I don't think he's a top talent but more a result of this draft being poor. He has tools but he's so far from reaching them, I have a hard enough time putting a 1st round grade on him in most drafts. He gets a lotto spot here due to how weak this draft is. McDaniels is way too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Who's the best defensive wing in this draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 FYI Jaden McDaniels was benched, played 9 minutes in the previous game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Who's the best defensive wing in this draft? okoro, josh green, or paul reed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Who's the best defensive wing in this draft? Okoro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I admit I have only watched Edwards a little now and then, but for someone that "may be the top player, I am not overly impressed. Does he have enough feel/IQ to be an impact player on the next level? He seems to struggle every time I watch. he shows some flashes at times. but I just don't know. Think he would be the worst top pick since A Bennett IMO. anyone else agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, resilient part 2 said: I admit I have only watched Edwards a little now and then, but for someone that "may be the top player, I am not overly impressed. Does he have enough feel/IQ to be an impact player on the next level? He seems to struggle every time I watch. he shows some flashes at times. but I just don't know. Think he would be the worst top pick since A Bennett IMO. anyone else agree? Agree with the bolded, but unlike Bennett he is at least a high ceiling guy. Bennett was never that, which is why that pick was so puzzling. I don't think Edwards will go #1, hasn't shown enough. Edwards is just a great athlete, built like a small linebacker, but he doesn't offer anything too impressive outside of the physical gifts. Has a decent jumper, and can finish at the rim, create for others, all that.... It just hasn't clicked for him completely, when to attack, when to settle, when to make the pass. In other words, he's very raw. Reminds of Jaylen Brown as prospect and that's also the type of role and impact I think he can eventually have at next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Okoro has all the makings of a vintage orlando magic draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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