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5 hours ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said:

2014 Tony Romo was incredible. That season, Tony Romo was the most efficient QB in football on 3rd down, had the highest Y/A, and completion percentage.

You plug a lesser QB into that 2014 team, and we might not make the playoffs.

Meh... he was coming back from back injury stuff and definitely didn’t start the year very well. He was horrible week 1 vs the 49ers. After week 3, he had 4 TDs 4 Ints on the season, yet we were 2-1. We rode DeMarco Murray and arguably the best OL ever to most of our wins. Romo started getting better as the year went on no doubt but I’ll remember 2014 for Murray and the OL. 

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4 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

no doubt but I’ll remember 2014 for Murray

Me too. When he fumbled in the playoffs on a highly likely scoring run and helped cost us a chance to move on.

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5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Me too. When he fumbled in the playoffs on a highly likely scoring run and helped cost us a chance to move on.

Live by the sword you die by the sword. We likely aren’t in the playoffs at all without Murray and that OL. You said yourself he probably would have scored on that run, but instead he fumbles. Our other offense that year was throwing 50/50 jump balls to Dez. But that game they said Dez didn’t catch it.

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Player G ANY/A Att Cmp% AttG
Patrick Mahomes 8 8.93 284 66.9 35.5
Aaron Rodgers 7 8.49 249 65.9 35.6
Russell Wilson 7 8.27 256 71.5 36.6
Ryan Tannehill 7 8.15 233 67.4 33.3
Derek Carr 7 7.88 235 71.1 33.6
Deshaun Watson 7 7.87 239 69.5 34.1
Dak Prescott 5 7.72 222 68.0 44.4
Justin Herbert 6 7.64 227 67.4 37.8
Josh Allen 8 7.52 277 67.2 34.6
Drew Brees 7 7.45 253 73.1 36.1
Tom Brady 8 7.38 308 66.2 38.5
Philip Rivers 7 7.38 231 69.7 33.0
Matt Ryan 8 7.20 316 66.8 39.5
Jared Goff 8 7.00 284 65.5 35.5
Teddy Bridgewater 8 7.00 257 71.6 32.1
Nick Mullens 4 6.94 98 70.4 24.5
Matthew Stafford 7 6.82 246 61.4 35.1
Kyler Murray 7 6.69 253 66.8 36.1
Ryan Fitzpatrick 6 6.62 197 70.1 32.8
Kirk Cousins 7 6.62 189 65.6 27.0
Ben Roethlisberger 7 6.49 246 67.9 35.1
Lamar Jackson 7 6.20 190 60.5 27.1
Kyle Allen 3 6.20 80 68.8 26.7
Jimmy Garoppolo 6 6.19 140 67.1 23.3
Baker Mayfield 8 6.15 223 61.4 27.9
Gardner Minshew 7 6.10 267 65.9 38.1
Joe Burrow 8 5.77 330 67.0 41.3
Mitchell Trubisky 4 5.24 86 59.3 21.5
Dwayne Haskins 4 4.92 146 61.0 36.5
Drew Lock 5 4.79 143 58.0 28.6
Cam Newton 6 4.77 156 66.0 26.0
Nick Foles 6 4.65 233 64.8 38.8
Daniel Jones 8 4.28 272 61.8 34.0
Carson Wentz 8 4.05 305 58.4 38.1
Sam Darnold 6 3.39 191 58.6 31.8
Andy Dalton 4 3.08 85 61.2 21.3

data via Pro Football Reference / Stat Head

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Interesting information for those of you in the business of making excuses for Dalton. 

Dak was pressured on 22% of drop backs this year and led the #1 offense in the NFL on pace to break records.

Dalton was pressured on 19%, 24th least in the NFL. Which means only 8 starting QBs have had better protection than Dalton.

 

In other words, you cant blame Dalton being terrible on the offensive line. 

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15 minutes ago, D82 said:

All QBs, even the great ones, make some truly horrendous throws from time to time. 

He is rolling to his right and on the run. Not just standing in the pocket. All QBs miss throws, but we have all watched other QBs before. Dak isn’t the first Cowboys QB we’ve ever watched. There’s a reason you and Cowboys media have to continually defend this with Dak.

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16 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

He is rolling to his right and on the run. Not just standing in the pocket. All QBs miss throws, but we have all watched other QBs before. Dak isn’t the first Cowboys QB we’ve ever watched. There’s a reason you and Cowboys media have to continually defend this with Dak.

People are stuck on 2017 Dak and can’t realize he’s developed into a top ten QB. 

It’s not so much defending as much as it is trying to hope that by using fact-based evidence people will come around and appreciate what they have in Dak...but if I’ve learned anything over the past few years it’s that people in general would rather cling to an idea, no matter how asinine and stupid it is, than admit they’re wrong. 

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7 minutes ago, D82 said:

People are stuck on 2017 Dak and can’t realize he’s developed into a top ten QB. 

It’s not so much defending as much as it is trying to hope that by using fact-based evidence people will come around and appreciate what they have in Dak...but if I’ve learned anything over the past few years it’s that people in general would rather cling to an idea, no matter how asinine and stupid it is, than admit they’re wrong. 

Accuracy has improved every year. His deep ball misses to Gallup have all but vanished. He had a tendency to throw behind WRs running slants/crossing routes/over the middle routes. The throws were technically accurate but not placed in the most advantageous position. The same thing that Dalton did on the Zeke drop INT. It looked like that was starting to improve this year. 
 

Aaron Rodgers is more accurate and throws a better ball than most QBs in NFL history. Showing the bad throw from Arod or Mahomes and saying “hey look, they are just like Dak,” isn’t helping the case that you guys have Dak a bit overrated. 

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1 hour ago, DaBoys said:

There’s a reason you and Cowboys media have to continually defend this with Dak.

Because haters keep reaching for reasons to downplay him? They cant use anything based on facts, so they use undefined terms like "eye test" and "arm talent" so that they cant be proven wrong. The fact is Dak is the 3rd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL by the numbers. 

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19 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Because haters keep reaching for reasons to downplay him? They cant use anything based on facts, so they use undefined terms like "eye test" and "arm talent" so that they cant be proven wrong. The fact is Dak is the 3rd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL by the numbers. 

Daks not even in the top 3 most accurate QBs in the history of the Cowboys. 

You do understand that completion percentage and accuracy are two completely different things right? You... you do understand that right? I know you do, so stop. 

 

 

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Dak is not a perfect QB, guys. There are things he struggles with. It’s okay for people to point those things out. it’s okay for you to recognize them as well. You can still think Dak is a good QB while recognizing things that he sometimes struggles with. 
 

I have Dak around QB 10 in the NFL. That’s not a bad ranking. Chill out. He doesn’t have to be Mahomes or Rodgers to be considered good. He doesn’t have the arm that those two have and that’s okay.
 

 

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3 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

Because haters keep reaching for reasons to downplay him? They cant use anything based on facts, so they use undefined terms like "eye test" and "arm talent" so that they cant be proven wrong. The fact is Dak is the 3rd most accurate QB in the history of the NFL by the numbers. 

By the numbers dont take into effect the different eras.

Dak has significantly improved but if you really believe he is Top 3 accurate passer in the history of the NFL just because the numbers say so, then I dont know what to say.

Do you truly believe he is more accurate than Brees, Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Peyton, Aikman, Romo, Young? Just to name a few.

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