squire12 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, beekay414 said: Let's look at the WR/TE groups of Super Bowl winners, shall we? 2018 Pats - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Josh Gordon, Phillip Dorsett, Chris Hogan 2017 Eagles - Zach Ertz, Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, Torrey Smith, Trey Burton 2016 Pats - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Danny Amendola, Martellus Bennett 2015 Broncos - Emmanuel Sanders, Demaryius Thomas, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Bennie Fowler, Virgil Green, Jordan Norwood, Cody Latimer 2014 Patriots - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson 2013 Seahawks - Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, Zach Miller, Sidney Rice, Jermaine Kearse, Ricardo Lockette, Luke Willson 2012 Ravens - Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Jacoby Jones 2011 Giants - Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Jake Ballard, Devin Thomas, Travis Beckum 2010 Packers - Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Andrew Quarless, Donald Lee, Brett Swain, Jermichael Finley (got hurt obvsly), Tom Crabtree Yep. Just need a legit #1 and "a decent supporting cast" at WR. Josh Gordon was suspended for the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterfish_21 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: He's 29 and hasn't dropped below 750 yards in any year since then. It's not like he's washed. Just in a different situation. I know he's had a lot of injury related stuff and they use him all over the field and over the middle like #1 is used on most teams. Also hasn't wen't over 900 yards receiving in those 4 years. The other 2 WR's need to be really good for me to consider this unit a "top" unit, and to me they are not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterfish_21 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Let's look at the WR/TE groups of Super Bowl winners, shall we? 2018 Pats - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Josh Gordon, Phillip Dorsett, Chris Hogan 2017 Eagles - Zach Ertz, Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, Torrey Smith, Trey Burton 2016 Pats - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Danny Amendola, Martellus Bennett 2015 Broncos - Emmanuel Sanders, Demaryius Thomas, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Bennie Fowler, Virgil Green, Jordan Norwood, Cody Latimer 2014 Patriots - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson 2013 Seahawks - Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, Zach Miller, Sidney Rice, Jermaine Kearse, Ricardo Lockette, Luke Willson 2012 Ravens - Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Jacoby Jones 2011 Giants - Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Jake Ballard, Devin Thomas, Travis Beckum 2010 Packers - Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Andrew Quarless, Donald Lee, Brett Swain, Jermichael Finley (got hurt obvsly), Tom Crabtree Yep. Just need a legit #1 and "a decent supporting cast" at WR. Hey you forgot the greatest show on turf ( Which I think most people unrealistically want.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Yep. Just need a legit #1 and "a decent supporting cast" at WR. That's what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Let's look at the WR/TE groups of Super Bowl winners, shall we? 2018 Pats - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Josh Gordon, Phillip Dorsett, Chris Hogan 2017 Eagles - Zach Ertz, Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, Torrey Smith, Trey Burton 2016 Pats - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Danny Amendola, Martellus Bennett 2015 Broncos - Emmanuel Sanders, Demaryius Thomas, Owen Daniels, Vernon Davis, Bennie Fowler, Virgil Green, Jordan Norwood, Cody Latimer 2014 Patriots - Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Danny Amendola, Aaron Dobson2013 Seahawks - Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, Zach Miller, Sidney Rice, Jermaine Kearse, Ricardo Lockette, Luke Willson2012 Ravens - Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Jacoby Jones 2011 Giants - Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Jake Ballard, Devin Thomas, Travis Beckum 2010 Packers - Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Andrew Quarless, Donald Lee, Brett Swain, Jermichael Finley (got hurt obvsly), Tom Crabtree Yep. Just need a legit #1 and "a decent supporting cast" at WR. So 3 of the last 9 SB winners have below average targets? None of these are all time great groups or even close. There's a ton of 870 yard receiving seasons from team leaders on this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, waterfish_21 said: I know he's had a lot of injury related stuff and they use him all over the field and over the middle like #1 is used on most teams. Also hasn't wen't over 900 yards receiving in those 4 years. The other 2 WR's need to be really good for me to consider this unit a "top" unit, and to me they are not great. I never said they were great. Just that they're among the top 5 or 6 units in the league. There's not a lot of units that are strong 1-3 out there. That's kinda my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: So 3 of the last 9 SB winners have below average targets? None of these are all time great groups or even close. There's a ton of 870 yard receiving seasons from team leaders on this list. And only 1 Pro Bowler if I recall correctly. I went down this road two years ago during the draft and don't remember all the specifics (WR only) Edited October 7, 2019 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopackgonerd Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: List of every NFL teams 3rd WR by offensive snaps. I don't even know who most of these scrubs are. @beekay414 how many of these guys are you taking over Allison this season? 12, maybe? Arizona: T. Sherfield Atlanta: Calvin Ridley Baltimore: S. Roberts Buffalo: Zay Jones Carolina: Jarius Wright Chicago: A. Miller Cincinatt: John Ross Cleveland: D. Ratley Dallas: D. Smith Denver: D. Hamilton Detroit: M. Hall Houston: K. Coutee Indianapolis: D. Cain Jacksonville: DeDe Westbrook Kansas City: Mecole Hardman Chargers: G. Davis Rams: Brandin Cooks Dolphins: J. Grant Vikings: O. Johnson New England: Phillip Dorsett New Orleans: A. Carr Giants: D. Slayton Raiders: Hunter Renfrow Eagles: M. Hollins Pittsburgh: D. Johnson Seattle: J. Brown Tampa Bay: B. Wilson Titans: A. Humprhries Washington: K. Harmon Brandin Cooks and Phillip Dorsett are arguably the only ones having much better numbers than the rest. But the rest all have similar numbers or even less than Allison, don't know why beekay is making a big deal about calling Allison a number 3. Cobb for example is barely having a better season than Allison and has one less touchdown. Edited October 7, 2019 by Gopackgonerd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I shudder to think how negative things would be around here were the team 1-4 rather than 4-1. The team has flaws, but not nearly as many as I thought it would. My only real concern at this point is the injuries starting to mount. If the team can stay reasonably healthy, I feel like this roster has the kind of play makers that can do some damage come playoff time. Been a few years since I felt that way about the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Are you really implying that GMo is a #3 wideout? Like, I'll give you MVS as the deep threat "#2" but, in no way, shape or form is GMo a #3 wideout. That's a friggin' stretch and a half. MVS isnt even a No. 2. He's a No. 3 deep threat guy who most games is going to give you 2-4 receptions, you just hope they are big plays. Allison gets open 1 time every 10 routes he runs. He's a No. 4 with zero upside. He's definitely gone next year. Wish we would see more Shepherd out there in the short area passing game. If the Packers win these next 2 home games to get to 6-1, Gute is a fool if he's not going all in to get the best WR a team will give up, I don't care about the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: List of every NFL teams 3rd WR by offensive snaps. I don't even know who most of these scrubs are. @beekay414 how many of these guys are you taking over Allison this season? 12, maybe? Completely disingenuous list tbh. Going by snaps without taking injuries into account. Quite few of those guys are only playing BECAUSE of injury. Allison was our PLANNED #3. And, regardless, using that list you still came up with 12 "maybe." That's still 72 wide receivers better than Allison. ARI - Isabella is their planned #3 going forward. Rookie with more talent than Allison. Hell, he may be even higher down the line due to Fitzgerald leaving. ATL - Definitely taking Sanu over Allison BAL - Probably not assuming Boykin is their #2 next to Hollywood. Then it's down to Snead or Roberts. Even then, it's a toss up. BUF - Zay Jones has talent, just hasn't done anything with it so, for that reason, I'll live with GMo. That WR corps has been a problem for a while now. CAR - Pretty sure Hogan is their #3. He's fine and right on part with Allison. CHI - Definitely taking Miller over GMo. That one isn't even remotely close. CIN - Definitely taking John Ross over him. Of course, he's hurt but still better. CLE - Definitely taking Callaway. DAL - Cobb is their #3, not Smith. Gallup just came back. DEN - DaeSean Hamilton is legit. Easy pick. DET - Amendola is what he is at this point. Hurt a lot and older. So GMo by default. HOU - Coutee easily IND - I'll gamble on Deon Cain or Parris Campbell. Whichever you want to label their #3. JAX - Definitely taking Dede. KC - Definitely taking Hardman LAC - Don't care much for their WR group outside of Allen and Williams. LAR - No question MIA - I like Grant. He's a slot type that we need. Quick twitch for underneath stuff. Definitely taking him over GMo. MIN - Same thing as Grant. I like Beebe more than GMo. NE - Dorsett is too similar to MVS so I wouldn't take him by default. NO - Ted Ginn would probably be their #3 if Smith was healthy. I'll take Ginn as he can do what GMo does with more physical skill. Even then, their fans will tell you they need a running mate for MT13. NYG - Latimer is a meme on this forum obvsly. I think Slayton is their future #3 and I was an advocate for him throughout the draft process, so yes, I'd take him over GMo. NYJ - Absolutely absymal WR group outside of Crowder and Robby. OAK - Rag tag group as a whole. It's Williams and a bunch of JAGs so no. PHI - Obvious. PIT - I like Diontae Johnson so I'm definitely going with him over GMo. SF - Deebo their #3 so far? If not, it's Pettis. He's got talent but he's like Zay Jones and hasn't used it so I'll go with GMo by default. SEA - Jaron Brown is whatever. It's Gary Jennings that's their future at that spot. Either way, JAG central outside of Lockett and DK. TB - Their #3 is largely irrelevant because their top 2 WRs are ******* sensational. If MVS was half the WR Godwin is, we wouldn't have a #3 problem. Plus, I don't know if they've even invested much into their #3 lately so they are in a similar situation there. TEN - Definitely taking Humphries WAS - Just a brutal team all around but Harmon is another rookie with upside. A gamble I'm willing to take... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevein2012 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I wonder how many yards MVS has if you count the PI penaltys against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, squire12 said: Josh Gordon was suspended for the end of the season Regardless, he still played in 11 games for the Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: So 3 of the last 9 SB winners have below average targets? None of these are all time great groups or even close. There's a ton of 870 yard receiving seasons from team leaders on this list. Every one of those groups had more talent than we do at the position as a whole. So you calling our group below average or does that not apply here? Edited October 7, 2019 by beekay414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, cannondale said: And only 1 Pro Bowler if I recall correctly. I went down this road two years ago during the draft and don't remember all the specifics (WR only) Who gives a **** about pro bowls? lol There's a ton of talent on that list, whether you two wanna believe it or not. It's definitely better than just a legit #1 and a "decent" group with a "TE bonus." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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